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General Discussion / Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??

« on: June 14, 2016, 03:32:21 AM »

NorCam, Just curious, What are your plans for the restoration?  Are you going back original as it came or restored to the early days of it's drag racing career?  Does any of the original drive train still exist?

Great Car!!

Bryan

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Originality / Re: How to tell if console gauges are original to car

« on: June 01, 2016, 05:51:08 AM »

X33RS, the closest I can get you is the 69 AIM, U17 A2, page 415, (upper left sketch, where the "A" arrow is pointing).  At the very front lower half of the console is a horseshoe shaped cut out.  Non guage consoles do not have this cut out.  Secondly, the front floor mount bracket has a extra u shaped bracket spot welded to the floor bracket for the guage wiring harness.  Naturally, the non guage consoles don't have this extra edition spot welded to the front mounting bracket.

I meant to ask about this earlier, but forgot.  Would the broadcast code sticker on the underside of the guages not be a good way to determine the originality.  If the codes were different, then suspicion would be building.

Sorry about the lack of photo's, SOL in that dept.

Bryan

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Originality / Re: How to tell if console gauges are original to car

« on: May 31, 2016, 07:04:28 PM »

additionally, another small feature is checking the console itself.  Look for the cutout on the lower front half of the console, and check the lower console mounting bracket to see if the guage wiring harness bracket and plug socket are there.

If these two items are not there, guages were probably added to a non guage console.  Probably a good indicator to start looking elsewhere.

Bryan

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General Discussion / Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??

« on: May 26, 2016, 06:35:46 PM »

Bently, and others, I too were one of the later drag racers and street racers, and I personally attended several of the national events of the original time period.  I also like talking about "our time" in these events.

But, as I originally posted from day one at the first post listed that it would be nice to see and hear about the ORIGINAL, period 1st gens, and the HISTORIC, DEALER or INDIVUDIAL CAMPAIGNED 1967 -1969 Camaro's of that day.

This section was hoped to be meaningful and historically correct.  A section that enthusiast could talk about the different options that were available for the dealer installed race cars.  How many variations were there for factory headers for 1968.  Was there only one manufacturer of these headers?  Were they built the exact same? etc.

Bently, I also smell what your stepping in with the OUR DAY in drag racing, I was there too.  But no, this is about THEM and our history, not us.

Thanks,
Bryan

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General Discussion / Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??

« on: May 26, 2016, 04:01:43 PM »

I don't see how it would have to be so much work on any particular person!  It seems that the drag racing section would be almost self supportive, by US putting photos on and talking about this great sport and the vast amount of archival information to be gained. 

Please remember, as I suggested that the subject of the new section was to be ORIGINALLY CAMPAIGNED Camaro's of 1967 - 1972 or so.  I also know that thousands of camaro's were put on the drag strip in the 1980's and 90's, these are NOT originally campaigned and should not be considered for this section.  Drag racing of TODAY, shouldn't be a subject unless an original 1st gen originally campaigned camaro is involved.

The white 67 Z28 in the showroom, that was put on the thread recently is the perfect topic or another dealer from tim buck too that bought a 68 z or a 69 copo and put it on the strip with the dealer name sponsored on the side, etc.  The professional drivers and teams also have unseen photo's out there, taken by families that went to that national event in 67, 68, 69, etc.

Please consider this section, and make an archival tool out of it!

Bryan

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Hurst Shifter date codes

« on: May 16, 2016, 03:57:29 AM »

It seems there are several January shifters in later cars that old eyes couldn't see.  There is an 03B, 04B, 06A.  So, there must have been a very large batch of January shifters.  My 05A Z28 NOR has one, 19D51Q, owned car since April 1979 and prior owners known.  Shifter 100% original.

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General Discussion / Re: JL8 master cylinder

« on: May 12, 2016, 04:03:14 PM »

Several things lead to suggest that the cylinders are different!

#1, on page 126 of John Hooper's book shows a JL8 master cylinder, and is quite obvious that it is not a 309 US cylinder.

#2, the chassis broadcast codes are clearly different, the CU code for a US cyl. and a CX code for a JL8 cyl.  If they were the same, there would not be any need for a different code.

Bryan

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 N34 wood wheel part number question?

« on: March 08, 2016, 06:52:27 AM »

Thanks Vince, I checked this section before I posted.  All I saw in this section was the correct hub 3930062 and the series of horn caps 3901313 and 3923667, and then 3945461 for 69.  I was looking for the 1968 CORRECT horn cap MOUNT with correct length tab for the 3930062 hub and the CORRECT horn CONTACT CAM for tilt wheel.  This is the round black plastic contraption with the stem that makes contact, and used with tilt.  These parts, I did not see listed on the site, AND I did not find a N34 section in the 68 AIM.  Please help, I can not find these part numbers.

Thanks,
Bryan

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Restoration / Re: Deluxe seat covers code 712 on a 69

« on: March 06, 2016, 04:47:10 AM »

Lawrence, if your side panels are all that's bad and your comfortweave inserts are good, you might think of a repair job.  As X66 714 mentioned, Al Knoch Madrid vinyl is heavier and nice quality, but might be hard to blend.  Have you thought of cannibalizing a donor seat for the material.  Some Buick's and Corvette's used the weave insert.  A back seat for a donor is a good way to get material large enough to cut down for your application.  It would be worth it to part out several seats to get what you needed. Just a thought.

Bryan

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General Discussion / Re: 69 original rear bumper identification

« on: March 03, 2016, 06:26:40 AM »

Chick, Is it a known fact that the factory rivets in these bumpers were installed COLD.  If so, then a big press would be needed to simulate the process.  My curiosity of this process is because of my affiliation with restoring and collecting antique John Deere tractors and rivets this size are installed red hot with a smaller press or a pneumatic rivet squeezer.  Works like a charm.  In this application, I would think that the rivet after installment would have to be hand painted to protect or clear coated.  I would not think that this process would harm the chrome or the light housing.  Just a thought.

Bryan

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Restoration / Re: Deluxe seat covers code 712 on a 69

« on: March 02, 2016, 06:50:41 AM »

Lawrence, I too thought I wanted Al Knoch.  I ordered samples of the insert material for comparison to original.  I found that the grain was much too fine and is very shallow in depth, by feel and visual.  In other words, it appears that their die stamp was stuck very lightly.  In my observations of my original material and many others that I have seen, is that the grain was very rough and deep to the touch and visual.  If you were to run your finger nail across the grain on original material, it's like going across a bumpy surface and you can hear the rough texture.  You can not do this with Al Knoch and Legendary.  The closest examples I have gotten were SMS Auto Fabrics and PUI.  These two are much closer to original, but are still stamped, IMHO.  I suggest ordering samples of each, to your satisfaction.

Bryan

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Originality / Re: Subframe bushings, differences between 68 and 69

« on: March 01, 2016, 07:04:32 AM »

Thank you very much Scott!  I was afraid the 702's would be different enough, that I would have to hunt them down.  My set had the 802's for the rear mount, as well as the front, and were ordered for a 68, evidently.  I bet that ring on the 702's was to help prevent the bushing from splitting open, or cracking open over time.  You learn something everyday.

Thanks again,
Bryan

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Originality / Subframe bushings, differences between 68 and 69

« on: February 29, 2016, 03:44:42 AM »

While going through my parts bins today, I found a set of NOS subframe bushings, that I forgot I had.  Due to the fact that I needed them for my 69 I took them to the house and checked the numbers against the 68 and 69 AIM.  After checking all the numbers to make sure they were all correct, I discovered a difference between 68 and 69.  I have always heard, especially from the parts vendors, that they were all the same, and never doubted it, or had any reason to look.  They were all the same except two parts.

Here are the differences I found.  The #3 mount location, (under the front seats) are #13, 3901361, which are also the same for 68 and 69, but the mate cushion (donut), #10 3914802 for 68 and #15 3962720 for 69.

So, my questions are:

Has anybody ever compared between these two bushings 3914802 and 3962720, to see if they are actually different?

I know GM was notorious for changing the part number for the slightest change or difference.  Are they different enough to seek the correct part between these two?

Also, I noticed that part# 3893156 core support bushing was replaced with 14008366.  Are these parts that have been changed deemed INCORRECT for restoration purposes?  You might be able to see the numbers that are different.

Thanks,
Bryan

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General Discussion / Re: Chambered exhaust

« on: February 26, 2016, 09:56:01 PM »

Larry, Did any of your existing pipes have the crimps in the pipes as were typical to chambered?  Is your car's build date 05A or before, and before the cut off date of May 19th?  The other possibility, to determine yes or no, would be finding the firewall chalk writing by fisher body, indicating N10 for deep tone mufflers!

Gary, WOW!, Did Eric indicate any specifics on dimensions of the mounting hole locations for the hangars that are above the axle?  I thought they were in the same spot for either N10 or NC8.  If they are different, looks to me like that would pin point which system you had, if you didn't know!  Those hangar locations, and the firewall writing may be the only clues some people will have!

THANKS,
Bryan

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Restoration / Re: Cleaning 302 intake

« on: February 26, 2016, 07:09:56 AM »

Tim, that's great, just don't give up.  You'll be amazed in the end.

Darrell, please try and find some Spray-Nine, extra strength or industrial strength in a large spray bottle.  You might have to go to a industrial supply house, but it's available.  Used along with carb and choke, and brake cleaner, the Spray Nine is an extreme aluminum cleaner to use in addition.  You will be amazed.  I cleaned my entire Muncie and bell housing after dis assembly with this same process and it is spotless.  Just soak it and walk off a few times, then use the carb cleaner and brush.

Bryan