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661  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 DZ BLOCK OR NOT... on: September 03, 2013, 08:08:27 AM
Still a Z ,look at the VIN.

You can stick what you want between the wheel wells and you have a" Z " without the 302 . Can't put a 302 in what came with a 6 banger , glide and a 10 bolt and ever make it one.

Like was suggested ,if you're building it to go out and have fun or even have plans in the distant future to sell it , stick another engine in it and keep looking. Too many unknown variables with your car to suggest investing 10K+ in a 302 will immediately raise it to a level demanding top dollar. Plus a deal on one may surface.

 Hate to say ,and am still on the fence, but  probably will end up installing an early 327 I have , leaving the 302 on the stand . That was my thoughts years ago when it got a 400 for street/strip use. The final purpose should dictate the build.
662  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 DZ BLOCK OR NOT... on: September 02, 2013, 06:47:19 PM
You can get a Dart little M ,Callies rotating assembly ,Lunati roller, Dart heads and intake---better add the Moser rear end and axles !---be ahead $$ and put my numbers Z in the weeds---food for thought   Wink

The prices are down on these cars and yet the rare parts are through the roof ,IMO wouldn't get a return on your money to build a non numbers match 302. Of course I'm no expert, just own one.

And yes ,it P's me off the prices ,captive/hostage is a great term. 1300 for an alternator ? no time soon!
663  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: rear brake/fuel line removal on: August 31, 2013, 11:00:14 PM
Just fishing for your input ,pretty active on the site and appear to know your stuff.
664  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: August 31, 2013, 10:10:43 PM
I think that is the problem ,the stamping does look too fresh as compared to the marring on the rest of the body, although it is highly polished. You can sort of tell what it looked like before tumbler time. Not to say it is not the real deal ,just that fine line between done right and over restored.  top $ = top scrutiny ( I'm bias, only one guy I trust sending my parts to, and I called him almost daily)
665  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: rear brake/fuel line removal on: August 31, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Engines out, cars peeled down on the lift. I cant see making the turns through the subframe without screwing up the factory bends. Subframe is coming out soon anyway so it really does not matter but the lines are hanging ( secured ) in my way. Wondered if anyone had luck snaking them through ? If I have to loosen the bottom two bolts for clearance ,figured I might as well wait.  More fun running 1/2" braided !
666  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / rear brake/fuel line removal on: August 31, 2013, 08:03:47 PM
I'm 99% sure of the answer but I am putting it out there anyway, do I have to wait to drop the subframe before removing the fuel and rear brake line ? They are OE and I don't want to #$%^ them up ! I am to the point of being sick of removing .040 of undercoating ,rustoleum , factory overspray etc... I am down to using a brass toothbrush with laq. thinner so almost there. Upside ,gorgeous !   Cook DW Huh


Race cars are a whole lot easier than restoration !!
667  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: pawn stars z28 on: August 31, 2013, 07:44:16 PM
All of it is BS made for TV , remember PINKS ?  Made it and ran it at Norwalk a few years ago. My car was running 10.3 and had it dialed in at 10.5 for a gasser class---never got my time slip ,word was they were looking to group 10.5 cars. They looked for a story and wrecks. Had I put the little yellow Anglia in the guard rail ,it would have made the show. ( did pull an early 426 Dodge by a fender before the first beam, love those high revin SBC's ! )
668  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: August 31, 2013, 06:36:34 PM
just got mine back from Jerry a few months ago for re-furbish ,not a but THE one for my Z ,( born with)---yours looks like a restamp ,numbers too defined versus the casting lines---just my opinion, lets see what the group says.
669  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / When fiction becomes fact on: August 31, 2013, 10:08:19 AM
There have been some great stories in here about cars being reunited with the original owners. Also threads with heated debate where #1 owner's claims do not match the data. While my car's apart I'm taking the time to record all the numbers and complete the "lost years" 68-76,which is not hard seeing that the car has remained in a 100 square mile area. Growing up I've talked to the man who striped it ,and proudly stating so ! Who set up the rear end. Old friends who cruised and street raced in it. Those who added the hideaways ( they were going for the Old Reliable look) ,cowl hood ,front valiance etc...

A common story were those headers ,in the trunk via #1---heard it 37 years. But the story did not match the data. I figured maybe one of the other owners might have swapped them out for the more popular Hookers ( win on Sunday, sell on Monday) and planned on trying to track them down, people around here tend to hoard parts so it was not inconceivable they were in a attic. My carb is on a drag racer's shelf not far from here ,starters on a 38 rat rod. Cam in a 55. ( still running strong ).

But the story abruptly changed ,never came with headers. Which explains the plugged exhaust manifolds ! No questions, not a problem really no big deal.( of course never gave my intentions ,just stated what I now have is not what came in the trunk) He's still digging up pictures and when our schedules jive we're getting together.

Point being ,if you are really animate about documenting the history of your project and not perpetuating a myth ,do your research.

Am I going to purchase a set of beautiful replicas ,money permits, you bet !  ( kids in college  Cry ) But at least I will have the proper yarn to spin !


670  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Ignition Timing on: August 30, 2013, 10:51:54 AM
Cook ,you are right on and made me delete my post !  Grin  From mild built to drag race only 38 degrees total , on our SBC's always proved best.(per dyno/time slips) I'm not going to spec it out, but our race engine is locked out at 38 degrees, and we have no starting issues. Remember you are always building a "package"
671  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 27, 2013, 08:27:48 AM
Mine was replaced with a Lakewood in the early seventies , and remained in storage. Still presents with min amount of orange ( like all the rest of the pics) I'm guessing an adhesion issue.
672  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: correct front suspension parts finishes on: August 22, 2013, 02:26:57 PM
From 67Z/28DOTCOM
673  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: correct front suspension parts finishes on: August 22, 2013, 02:24:37 PM
Here it is ,matches many sources I've looked up :

 
 

 



Finishes

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Listed below are all correct and acceptable finishes for the 1967 Camaro Z/28 only . This information is from two sources:
•A handout, entitled "Detailing Your Engine Compartment 1967-1969", submitted by Wayne Johnson from a seminar at the 1993 Camaro Nationals; and
•Appendix E of Jerry MacNeish's authoritative  "The Definitive 1969 Camaro Z/28-SS396 Fact Book", 2nd Edition.







Component
 
Camaro Nationals Seminar
 
MacNeish Book
 
AIR adjusting brace: Semi-gloss black Black paint, 60 percent gloss
AIR anti-backfire valves: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate
AIR pump support brace: Chevrolet orange paint Chevrolet orange paint
AIR pump bolt: Phosphate (not specified)
AIR smog pump housing: Natural aluminum finish Natural aluminum finish
AIR smog pump pulley: Phosphate Semi-gloss black paint or gray phosphate
AIR smog tubes: Black zinc Semi-gloss black paint or gold cadium dichromate
Air cleaner base, open element: gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint
Air cleaner lid, standard open element: Chrome Chrome
Air cleaner stud: Silver cadium (not specified)
Alternator assembly: Natural aluminum finish Natural aluminum finish
Alternator pulley: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Alternator fan, 1967 Z/28: Semi-gloss black paint Semi-gloss black paint
Alternator bolt, lower: Phosphate (not specified)
Alternator bolt, upper adjusting: Silver radium with special extra thick washer (not specified)
Alternator Brackets, lower/upper: Semi-gloss black orange (not specified)
Alternator brackets, lower (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Alternator brackets, upper (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Alternator brackets, rear: (not specified) Chevrolet orange paint
Alternator bracket spacer: Semi-gloss black or natural 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Battery hold-down clamp: Phosphate Natural metal finish
Battery tray: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Bell housing: Natural with orange over-spray Chevrolet orange paint
Bell crank, throttle linkage: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint
Brake hose bracket: (not specified) Natural metal or silver cadium dichromate
Brake lines: (not specified) Natural metal finish, stainless steel acceptable
Brake switch/manifold: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Bumper brackets, front and rear: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Bumper jack base: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Bumper jack adapter: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Bumper jack mechanism: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Bumper jack pole: (not specified) Gold or silver cadium dichromate
By-pass elbow (water pump 67-68 302): (not specified) Silver or gold cadium dichromate acceptable
Carburetor body: Gold dichromate Gold cadium dichromate
Carburetor lever and arms: Gold cadium on Holley (not specified)
Clutch fork: Natural metal finish Natural metal finish
Clutch linkage: Phosphate Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Coil bracket: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Coil: gloss black (not specified)
Coil bracket mounting bolts: Silver cadium (not specified)
Column locking mechanism: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint
Control arms, front, upper and lower: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Control arms, mounting bolts: Phosphate with silver cadium nuts (not specified)
Control arm shaft, upper: Natural 30 percent gloss black paint
Core support: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Cowl plenum air cleaner assembly: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Cylinder heads: Chevrolet orange paint Chevrolet orange paint
Dashboard, top, 1967-68: (not specified) 30 percent gloss paint
Deck lid striker, 1967 all: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Dip stick and tube: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Disc brake caliper mounting brackets (not specified) Gold cadium dichromate
Disc brake backing plates: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Disc brake calipers: (not specified) Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Distributor: Natural Natural aluminum finish
Distributor hold-down bracket: Natural Chevrolet orange paint or natural metal finish
Door latch mechanism screws, (three in door) 1967: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Door striker: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Drive shaft: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Engine block: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Engine lift hooks: Natural Chevrolet orange paint
Engine vent tube: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint
Exhaust manifolds: Natural Natural cast iron finish
Fan blade: gloss black Black paint, approximately 60 percent gloss
Fan clutch assembly: Natural Natural metal, silver or gold cadium dichromate
Fender bolts: Phosphate Black phosphate
Fender skirts, front: Semi-gloss black 30 percent semi-gloss black paint
Firewall: Semi-flat black 30 percent semi-gloss black paint
Firewall stamps "P", "T", "B": orange or green paint orange or green paint, Norwood cars only
Floor pans: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint, original cars usually have body color over spray on the floor boards
Flywheel shield: (not specified) Chevrolet orange paint
Front springs: (not specified) Natural finish
Front cowl area under cowl panel: (not specified) body color to edge of firewall, where firewall and body color meet is a feathered line, not a crisp taped line
Front cowl panel retaining screws: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Front fender support bars: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Front spindles: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Front sway bar mounting kits: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Gas lines: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Gas tank: (not specified) Natural finish, galvanized
Gas tank straps: (not specified) Natural or semi-gloss black paint
Grille, front 1967 RS and non-RS: (not specified) Black
Ground straps, engine bay: Natural copper Natural copper finish
Harmonic Balancer: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Heater box cover: gloss black 60-70 percent gloss black paint, (more gloss than firewall)
Heater hose nipple Intake: , Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Heater hose nipples, water pump: Chevrolet orange (not specified)
Hood hinges: Phosphate gray or black phosphate
Hood latch assembly: Phosphate gray or black phosphate
Hood latch assembly spring: (not specified) gloss black paint
Horns: gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Horn relay: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Hose clamps: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Intake manifold: Natural aluminum Natural aluminum finish (clear coating intake manifolds not acceptable!)
Intake manifold bolts, 302 "TR", "M", "A", non-shouldered hex head style: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
"L" bracket, (holds master cylinder manifold/switch to stud on brake booster): (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Leaf spring shackles: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black
License plate mounting brackets: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Master cylinder: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Master cylinder cover: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate
Master cylinder cover retaining wires: Silver cadium Natural metal finish
Oil cap: Chrome Chrome
Oil fill tube: Chrome Chrome
Oil pan and bolts: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Parking brake cables: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Power brake booster: Gold iridite Gold cadium dichromate
Power steering brackets/braces: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint
Power steering pump: gloss black (not specified)
Proportioning valve: Natural or semi-gloss black Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Proportioning valve bracket: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate
Pulley, crankshaft: Natural 60 percent gloss black paint or gray phosphate acceptable
Pulley, power steering: Semi-gloss black (not specified)
Pulley, power steering crankshaft (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Pulley, power steering pump: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Pulley, water pump: Semi-gloss black gray phosphate or 60 percent gloss black paint
Radiator: gloss black paint full gloss black paint
Rally wheels: (not specified) Semi-gloss Argent Silver paint front side, semi-gloss black paint back side
Rear axle housing: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint, natural finish acceptable
Rear brake backing plates: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Rear springs: (not specified) Natural finish or gray paint
Rear wheel wells: (not specified) Black undercoating
Shift linkage: (not specified) gray/black phosphate finish
Shock absorbers: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Spark plug shields: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Spark plug wire loom brackets: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Starter motor: Semi-gloss black 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Starter motor brace: Semi-gloss black 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Starter bolts: Silver cadium (not specified)
Steering box: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Steering knuckles: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Steering linkage: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Sub-frame: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint
Sway bar, front: (not specified) Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Sway bar brackets: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Thermostat housing: Natural aluminum Silver or Chevrolet orange paint
Throttle linkage: Phosphate (not specified)
Throttle rod: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate or natural metal finish
Timing chain cover and bolts: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Traction bar, 1967 only: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Transmission: (not specified) Natural aluminum finish
Transmission crossmember: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint
U-bolts, driveshaft: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Underside of front hood: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Valance panel, front lower: (not specified) painted body color on inside of panel
Valve covers: Chrome Chrome
Voltage regulator: gloss black painted cover with silver cadium base gloss black painted cover with silver cadium base
Water pump: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Water pumps bolts: Chevrolet orange (not specified)
Windshield washer pump cover: Black plastic, natural finish Black plastic, natural finish
Wiper motor: gloss black paint gloss black paint
 
 
674  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: correct front suspension parts finishes on: August 21, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
I can post it for you later today when I get to my laptop : 2 sources.
675  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Dang Mice! on: August 14, 2013, 02:06:51 PM
Mice got in when I was building our house and car was in storage. 29 years ,no problem than one winter...
16 years later I'm finding bird seed and fluff on the tear down. I've used mothballs but they lend odor. Got a mean barn cat now (he brings me chipmunk remains when I'm out wrenching) also going the dryer sheet method when it's back together Huh
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