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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Rubber looks about normal, yes they make the proper tools--for installation try a very long grade 8 bolt which fits the crank--washers and nut, than press it on. I have a very thick washer/spacer from an ARP balancer bolt I use. UTILIZE the NUT to press it on, don't just spin it on with the bolt.


Harmonic balancer removal tool is what your looking for to take it off, yea that simple, LOL. If it comes off easy, should go on easy , again that simple. Bolt will work as stated, just a little leery of stripping  it out if it's a snug fit. I've had good luck pressing them on. Make sure you change your seal.

1.align,start pushing it on by hand,square.
2. install your longer bolt with spacer/nut
3.Hand tighten till contact is made: spacer/balancer
4. use a wrench to tighten the nut, thus drawing the balancer in till it stops, as mentioned above

Like was mentioned prior to above, debur,use some fine steel wool and wd40 to lightly clean off any surface rust--use a little moly lube on the end of the crank prior to installation.
47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 04:41:13 PM
It's the original, resized:
48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 04:35:42 PM
Rubber looks about normal, yes they make the proper tools--for installation try a very long grade 8 bolt which fits the crank--washers and nut, than press it on. I have a very thick washer/spacer from an ARP balancer bolt I use. UTILIZE the NUT to press it on, don't just spin it on with the bolt.

49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 27, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
Ahh ,now I see why I've been doing it a certain way all these years, not going to elaborate. This is a 67-69 Camaro website.

This is why I post ,as much to help as fish for corrections. Would have taken me for a little loop in the months to come. Thanks John.---steve
50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 27, 2014, 11:39:13 AM
Hmph..learn something new every day! (or remembering) Even went out and checked the Anglia because of second guessing myself...this one built and ran on the dyno by the speed shop (Griff). No vacuum advance on the current MSD, or the Unilites I ran. Certainly prevents any future arguments at the local cruise in's ! LOL

JDV:
There is a dial on the back starting at 0,use as you would a normal light. Occasionally I do compare readings. These may have come about prior to markings being engraved on the performance balancers, alternative to timing tape or measuring/marking. Another toy in the box to help read timing advance.....all procedures still apply.
I have an old Craftsman ,some higher dollar ones floating around my father's garage, what I've seen, they perform the same.
51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 27, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
1111467  8A5
Centrifugal advance curve total 20 degrees
Total advance in at 2600 rpm     Sun #404,calibrated 2/3/2007

Back to your original question Dutch, pulled it of the bubble wrap:


Point cam 532CCW  stamped underneath, brass bushing, BLACK springs. Weights also original, same color/ finish as cam plate. Saw no distinguishing markings on them for certain, maybe a 1 on one, 4 on another, but my eyes have played tricks on me before trying to document  #'s.


Going back 30+ years ago, it was shelved. All honesty, performed very well in the car. About 20 years.  Somewhere around 34K was on the odometer(36K now)
Had it gone through just for piece of mind. Expecting no problemswhen it makes it's way back home in the 302.---steve
52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 26, 2014, 07:34:58 PM
It has been a long time since I played with weights and springs in a stock GM distributor. Having a few personal replies, I actually did some review on this:

Moroso seems to have the kit we're looking for. 28 years ago I played with a Mr. Gasket set in a stout 327 I had, but this was 28 years ago.

3 different stages of Accel points, heavy duty are not heavy duty(for a Z anyway) as point bounce will occur <6K on the tac. Actually about 700 off as advertised.(personal experience in the passenger seat Grin)
GET AN ADJUSTABLE TIMING LIGHT I've had mine for 25 years, and will never go back. Seeing as I basically play with race motors, set it to the total degrees I'm looking for--align timing mark to indicator--lock it down, done.   I've done lots more with it.


More duration in the cam= quicker you want the timing all in  305 on our race engine, advance is locked out, 38 degrees total. not a street motor Wink

There is a guide: spring (3 tensions)/weight combo to get you where you want to be.

Have fun playing with a few things with your car, tailor it to your liking. A few degrees this or that way is not crucial:find what your engine likesThese cars were mass produced, one size does not fit all, this is why there are adjustments.

All I had to do was pick up the phone and talk to my Dad vs. farming out my old single point ...it better be right.

 However his reply would have been go with a MSD. Wink (still is)

And no matter what, using the center line off my intake: #1 wire goes driver side,#8 passenger way. (centerline up the cap) May take a little more effort but with timing set #1 terminal is inline with #1 piston. Probably just a pet peeve, but this is the way I was brought up doing it. LOL!
53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found Some More Pics of the Green L78 on: August 26, 2014, 09:04:30 AM
Heck its not hijacking when there are cool vintage pics involved!!!


Go on Draglist.com   Look up Evans, His/car's accomplishments will be listed. Ran out of Thompson (cool old track, still very active, like a time capsule)It would be cool to track the Stephenwolf Camaro down. Old drag cars don't die around here, they just change owners. Probably running a Saturday point's program.

Back in the day (before my time) your Dad would have run Thompson and 42(Salem)......Sunday,SUNdaay !!  42 turned into a dump. New owner bulldozed the property and began construction of a new state of the art facility. Hoping next spring to be making passes. Tons of events around here Cook, next summer you need to pack up the girlfriend and one of those Camaro's and head North. The Z may or may not be on the road, we plan on hitting a few Gasser meets with the Anglia. Great time if you never been to one.
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 24, 2014, 07:43:57 PM
I had Jerry go through mine last year, as far as I know, never told otherwise, springs and weights are still born with in it. And he calibrates it on the Sun. Swamped this week, but I'll take a look at it and get back to you on any colors, numbers etc..in a few days. If any distinguishing marks are to be seen. It is dialed in for a 68 302.
55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found Some More Pics of the Green L78 on: August 24, 2014, 07:28:30 PM
Pretty car, the Pace Car...who owns it now ?


Air shocks in the back of the green one ? I think higher up was in ,Gassers? Anyway a little higher rate spring up front helped with weight transfer.(you know this DW) However, my Z springs were cut prior to 76, and helpers were placed between the coils to correct a ,putting it nicely, mistake. I put a little stiffer rate in the front of mine when I replaced them. With the 90-10's car hit hard and launched good. Does sit high though, as the rear end..still, and it's all original back there. Different thread but how's the motor coming along ?
56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 22, 2014, 05:12:58 PM
WELL... I think I am going to buy a dial indicator. Be nice to have, and seems the correct way. In high school I stuck a stick down there and slowly turned the crank until I though it pushed out the farthest. TOO funny!
 Then I will take my dremel tool and make a baby line nice and clean and straight.
 
 I like the idea of the tape so I can mark it all the way around in several places. But what is the best advance for regular street driving. 32, 35, 36, 38??? I keep getting different numbers suggested.
   
 So ok, I will have the distributor re-curved. He has done 302 units before. Did my friends 302 unit and he says it runs great. And to save all old parts.
 Having the alternator rebuilt at the same place. Internally only. So as to keep the survivor visual.
 Appreciate it guys. Will update soon hopefully... Danny

Kelly King is correct (actually nobody who posted is wrong !) Once the piston is up....use your stick (a pencil is cleaner LOL) and rotate the crank CW/CCW just a little and leave it at the highest. Rockers should be loose. Dial indicator... well I just love tools so no foul there.

Somebody else brought up about your balancer being off (inertia ring may be going ) Correct, have it checked out at the speed shop. I had one go bad on a 400,and one higher dollar after market show out of spec on the dyno.  happens.

Reference marks are great to go by if it was never pulled ,or you marked it. Shaft may now be off in relation to the body. None the less great advise. Because...
1. your at TDC (pencil at it's highest !)
2. rotor points to #1 cylinder and #1 post on the cap
3. Alignment marks check out. Properly reinstalled. period.

Total advance? what are you guys in Cali running?? From the mild 302 to the wild 413 (throw in a few 327's) they all seemed to like 38 degrees total--with good fuel.

Better than the tape ,is an adjustable timing light, however ,little nostalgic and does serve a good purpose...for cheap.

Still say it's a shame we can't all pick up a 12 pack,head over there and get this old Z fired up !---steve, I even got a set of old big tube SuperComps that sound oh so sweet uncorked on that 302.
57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 21, 2014, 07:34:25 PM
Also ,I believe John Z has an article on finding if your "pointer" (on timing cover) is off in relation to the line on your balancer. You may find it to be a few degrees off.

May be as simple as when they,at one time,pulled the distributor they just set it back in the easiest way it would drop in.And rerouted the plug wires to compensate on the cap.

Lars Grimsrud also has some short reference papers on checking your balancer marks, finding TDC, and installing a distributor so it is in the correct factory position.

Would be good reading. Forgot to mention the shaft, Chick caught it. Turns very easy.

Just post when you get ready to install it--steve
58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 21, 2014, 02:54:51 PM
Lefty "loosey"

Not going to write a lot about it because it may only confuse you.

How are you checking TDC ? Both valves (I/E) closed? While you are into it.....pick up some Miister Gasket timing tape for your balancer...trust me on this. Also ,I believe John Z has an article on finding if your "pointer" (on timing cover) is off in relation to the line on your balancer. You may find it to be a few degrees off.

May be as simple as when they,at one time,pulled the distributor they just set it back in the easiest way it would drop in.And rerouted the plug wires to compensate on the cap.

Also when you put it back in,give the gear up a good coating of assembly lube.

59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Newbie looking for advice on: August 21, 2014, 08:00:04 AM
Gary helped me through it.
60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Transmission Tunnel cut out identification on: August 20, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
As usual ,I agree with you Cook. Never had to cut mine and over the years I had a Hurst Comp shifter and a B & M Ratchet when it had the auto . No bells and whistles were on it however. Something like a Cheetah (superior Smiley has a lot of beef under it.
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