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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: Today at 06:49:02 PM
relax Smiley

take your plugs out ,rotate the crank CW, about a quarter turn until the indexing mark (dot) on crank gear is at 12:00   see John's illustration. your real close per your pic.

loosen your rocker arms so as no contact with pushrods---maintain order if you take them off. at this time all valves are closed, and will stay that way.

use your old gear and rotate cam CW till timing mark at  6:00, see Johns illustration.       stop.   read up some and wait for your parts.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: Today at 12:19:58 PM
I'm at the station today, will take a look at my balancer tomorrow and see where the dimple is in relation to the degree markings.
Reference marks crank/timing remember : 12:00/6:00
                                                             12:00/12:00
                                                              install dist.       
Just as posted above via John Z.

When all is done, read up on cold setting the timing....very easy to do. Think it graces this site somewhere. You are going to notice 100% improvement in your performance with the new chain and gear.

Also check for a loaner balancer installer....no reason it shouldn't press on smooth for you.



Just to brain check you : at 12:00 and  6:00  crank/cam, #6 TDC. rotor should point to #6 terminal on cap....dist could be installed this way.  If  you pointed it to # 1 terminal  withoutrotating the crank 360 degrees , 180 degrees on the cam ,which puts both  marks at 12:00....you would have installed it "180 out" a frequently used term, but less frequently explained.

Study the above picture per John, making sense Smiley    2:1   crank/cam ratio
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 31, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
pull the plugs ,will rotate very easy.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 31, 2014, 04:12:26 PM
" some " of the well known ones
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 31, 2014, 04:11:11 PM
Gotta agree with Gary, crank gear looks good....and most likely superior to the well known ones out there, which have long since been outsourced. Quite a bit of writings on this a few years ago by engine builders.

As far as I know Cloyes maintains a good rep,as well as Lunati. We run a PBM , more than you need for your application.

About that #@#! TDC thing, pretty important thing to have a handle on when you start tearing into these. Yes, can put it back together exactly the way it came apart, as long as it's exactly the way it came apart.

Pick up David Vizard's book on " Rebuilding your SBC"  take a read through before you proceed, just a suggestion. Great reference material, jot a few notes in it on your engine. Jot a few notes from John Z's articles in it and some some of the info out of these posts pertaining to 302's fine tuning in it.

They make a distinct, beautiful sound when they are tuned correctly and screaming, but are not  forgiving being a performance engine if poorly maintained.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 30, 2014, 09:08:48 AM
DON'T PULL THAT CAM OUT !

well....there's your wandering timing....

New gears will come in your timing set...go with a quality roller. I had a 68 Pontiac with nylon? timing gear, to decrease noise, but they were garbage. Was not aware they used them in Z's Huh Get that engine at TDC ,check alignment "dots" on your gear set.

Use blue locktite on your pulley bolts during reassembly. Crank snout looks good, make sure no play between your new key and the keyway in your balancer. IMO,if there is shelve it for a new one, but doesn't really look bad from the pics

7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 07:59:08 PM
Danny, Here in Ohio, we have a few car part stores (chain stores) that will 'loan' you tools like a balancer puller. You put down a deposit and get it back when tool is returned. Now, It might be hard to find someone at those stores that knows what a balancer or anything else on a car is that does not involve a laptop or a chip...but that is a different story.

I've been lucky, went through a bad spell a few years, stores got smart and hired in mostly retirees around here....guys who actually know what your talking about!
Summit is almost just as bad nowadays, keystrokes. The old Summit store and Supershops is were you talked over a counter concerning HP parts.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 07:50:53 PM
man,you 2 were quick!
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 07:49:22 PM
Autozones, Advance Auto, etc.. out here have free loaners for tools. Say you need a new timing cover seal, which you  should replace if doing what you are doing ,they'll loan the tool out...they are in business to sell parts. No specific key per say, proper size is what you need. Take your old one in to match up .


Sounds like life's treating you pretty good out there, good for you.


Also....threads are looking a little ruff ( crank pulley bolt holes) I'd chase them to clean them up some.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Rubber looks about normal, yes they make the proper tools--for installation try a very long grade 8 bolt which fits the crank--washers and nut, than press it on. I have a very thick washer/spacer from an ARP balancer bolt I use. UTILIZE the NUT to press it on, don't just spin it on with the bolt.


Harmonic balancer removal tool is what your looking for to take it off, yea that simple, LOL. If it comes off easy, should go on easy , again that simple. Bolt will work as stated, just a little leery of stripping  it out if it's a snug fit. I've had good luck pressing them on. Make sure you change your seal.

1.align,start pushing it on by hand,square.
2. install your longer bolt with spacer/nut
3.Hand tighten till contact is made: spacer/balancer
4. use a wrench to tighten the nut, thus drawing the balancer in till it stops, as mentioned above

Like was mentioned prior to above, debur,use some fine steel wool and wd40 to lightly clean off any surface rust--use a little moly lube on the end of the crank prior to installation.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 04:41:13 PM
It's the original, resized:
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 29, 2014, 04:35:42 PM
Rubber looks about normal, yes they make the proper tools--for installation try a very long grade 8 bolt which fits the crank--washers and nut, than press it on. I have a very thick washer/spacer from an ARP balancer bolt I use. UTILIZE the NUT to press it on, don't just spin it on with the bolt.

13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 27, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
Ahh ,now I see why I've been doing it a certain way all these years, not going to elaborate. This is a 67-69 Camaro website.

This is why I post ,as much to help as fish for corrections. Would have taken me for a little loop in the months to come. Thanks John.---steve
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 27, 2014, 11:39:13 AM
Hmph..learn something new every day! (or remembering) Even went out and checked the Anglia because of second guessing myself...this one built and ran on the dyno by the speed shop (Griff). No vacuum advance on the current MSD, or the Unilites I ran. Certainly prevents any future arguments at the local cruise in's ! LOL

JDV:
There is a dial on the back starting at 0,use as you would a normal light. Occasionally I do compare readings. These may have come about prior to markings being engraved on the performance balancers, alternative to timing tape or measuring/marking. Another toy in the box to help read timing advance.....all procedures still apply.
I have an old Craftsman ,some higher dollar ones floating around my father's garage, what I've seen, they perform the same.
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 27, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
1111467  8A5
Centrifugal advance curve total 20 degrees
Total advance in at 2600 rpm     Sun #404,calibrated 2/3/2007

Back to your original question Dutch, pulled it of the bubble wrap:


Point cam 532CCW  stamped underneath, brass bushing, BLACK springs. Weights also original, same color/ finish as cam plate. Saw no distinguishing markings on them for certain, maybe a 1 on one, 4 on another, but my eyes have played tricks on me before trying to document  #'s.


Going back 30+ years ago, it was shelved. All honesty, performed very well in the car. About 20 years.  Somewhere around 34K was on the odometer(36K now)
Had it gone through just for piece of mind. Expecting no problemswhen it makes it's way back home in the 302.---steve
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