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General Discussion / Re: Supposedly 302 Mustang 'Barn Find'
« on: January 07, 2014, 05:37:33 PM »
Point being there had to of been some maintenance , my Z "sat" for a good part of 10+ years. And the current tires I had mounted 24 years ago. Still in good shape. However it got uncovered ,washed ,moved around the shop. Proper inflation in the tires ,which vary with temp. And Ohio spiders like to hide in classic cars for some reason ( good taste ) so the interior got a cleaning. Then fogged with Lysol to hinder mildew--this being in a heated insulated shop. Luckily one little barn cat will keep 3600+ square feet free of mice ,although he has a taste for chipmunks :D. Now, this last run it did sit in one place covered for about a year--expensive shelf. (always checked tire pressure) When I uncovered it , sure enough it could have passed for a claimed 40 year "barn" find : dusty and spider webs. IMO. No pics ,embarrassing moment in the car's history. Only I've seen it that bad. (pic to the left is after it got cleaned up ,that day) Couldn't start it because the 302 is "pickled" on the stand. darn.


AND ,most Ohio cars, unless they were strictly raced or showed, began their demise by the 70's. Thus the restorations began, that long ago. So how many of these new found gems might have already received a little "plastic" surgery ? Personally I do not care if it retains 10% of it's OE sheet metal--but don't bolt on a few re-stamps and call it a survivor or barn find as a selling point---down grades some of the truly beautiful ,special works of art that grace this site. No less the REAL, rare survivors that have been maintained over the years. Ones that are now historically significant representing a time long passed, and can be used for reference. Truly in a category by themselves. OK, I vented.

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General Discussion / Re: Supposedly 302 Mustang 'Barn Find'
« on: January 07, 2014, 12:53:30 PM »
Mice anyone ? Not to mention the inside would look like the a scene from the Munsters due to spider webs. I recently bought and sold a " garage find" 68 ss elcamino. Interior gone ,I mean gone from critters. We wore respirators due to the smell while stripping out. Wiring--gone ,or certainly not safe. Tires dry rotted , aluminum wheels would not hold air due to corrosion around the beads. This was a low mileage Arizona car brought to Ohio in the early 90's that sat due to mechanical issues.     

I love good stories ! The little old lady from Pasadena's Super Stock Dodge ,that sat since her husband's death in 66' . Car would not start ,so she let it sit all these years ,come to find out her husband pulled the coil wire to prevent theft. Put in some fresh fuel ,charged the battery and fired right up ! All original ! Except for the driver's side front fender to rear quarter which was replaced. Oh and the passenger fender was replaced. I have always loved that car since I was a child, used to help Mr. So n So wax it. Being such a good friend of the family she finally decided to sell me the car this year. I am like a grandchild to her as they had no children ,and she feels very sentimental ,as do I, about the car.---Reserve set at $65K---see my other items listed under Ashyster.

Remind anyone of some listings out there?

Love the thought of classic muscle cars being found and brought back to life. Mythical. However ,as was posted, certain TV shows have really increased these "barn finds" ,which lends scrutiny to legit finds. Does make for good entertainment I guess. Street racing 1000+ hp cars on the side of the highway ,that don't break loose, building cars in 1 week ( well 300+ man hours)---anyway gotta go , time to look for Bigfoot.

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Restoration / Re: 454 engine
« on: December 31, 2013, 05:02:00 PM »
Personally I prefer a 350 trans due to it being lighter and a steeper 1st. Both very dependable. Also a host of aftermarket parts available.

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Restoration / Re: 454 engine
« on: December 31, 2013, 04:54:45 PM »
I tied the frames and ran ladder bars when the car was being drag raced. I barely pulled the front wheels foot braking it. With the paint stripped there are no signs of twisting the body at any seams.  However , I really don't know what your doing with the car.

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Restoration / Re: 454 engine
« on: December 27, 2013, 11:48:29 AM »
good engines

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General Discussion / Re: My other 2 69's
« on: December 25, 2013, 01:59:28 AM »
No embarrassment , you owned it all these years. Cars got it's own past. With you in it. Digging the pics  Mid 12's.. That's what I was turning. Fast time in it's day--really on the streets.

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General Discussion / Re: Pic of My new car from 1979
« on: December 25, 2013, 01:49:40 AM »
yup-sounds right ,what are you doing with it now ?

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General Discussion / Re: Pic of My new car from 1979
« on: December 24, 2013, 05:35:02 PM »
What were you turning with the flamed car ?

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General Discussion / Re: My other 2 69's
« on: December 24, 2013, 05:33:27 PM »
Don't forget the cars weren't that old back then. I saw tons more muscle cars with Cragers vs. OE. Only reason mine are still around is they were used for winter storage back in the day. When I got the car it was just cheaper to put them back on with new tires. Plus they cleared the 4piston calipers without the use of spacers. I liked them-not so popular  25 years ago---I think "grocery getter" might have been the term. As Gary pointed out  ,gauges were inferior from the factory ,so disappeared they did over the years. And my father was one of many who converted to a higher amp ,internally regulated alternator. Single wire, clean installation.  I was just very lucky all the parts were kept. Between moves ,a few things got loss ,but relatively minor all things considered.

Sort of ties in, very excited about the Day 2 class in Chicago. Spoke to a fellow by the name of Dru who is sending me the points breakdown sheets. Honestly ,if not for this class ,probably would have continued to keep the car under wraps. Happy Holidays !

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General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations..
« on: December 24, 2013, 04:24:21 AM »
Your "clone" looks  BD SS !! and beautiful Z ,best of both worlds.

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General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations..
« on: December 22, 2013, 05:49:12 PM »
Lately, it has me thinking of selling my car of 33 years. It is real,it is authentic and its been mine since 1980. Sadly, I had to "cocoon" it for several years and it is still not finished. When I bought it, I really thought I had something, a real "muscle car"and the stuff that made it real was all the proof needed(meaning the sum of its scarce parts and options). Back in the day, rare parts where just that and repro's where not heard of. The biggest thing you would find was a set of Z emblems on a base car an SS wasn't worth faking yet. The emblems were about as far as the clone went and it was just a "look" of muscle most were trying to achieve. Now, everyone scrutinizes my car as if they will uncover some evidence of fakery. It seems that I have to prove it is real whereas it used to stand on its own merit. I, myself, would be afraid to buy a 1st Gen. Camaro today with all that is reproduced and changed options etc...and I am pretty knowledgable about 69's in particular. I really appreciate this site and it has helped me in my restoration with lots of useful info. It has also helped others know what they have to do to pull off a fake or a clone(meaning fake that is disclosed) which is an unfortunate and, I suspect, an unintended consequence of the site. Then the price of correct parts has this once pedestrian, common man's ride something only the privledged can afford. I want my car as right as can be, but it has gotten beyond my resources, money wise, to finish the car correctly. Should I compromise by putting Chinese parts on my pride and joy and compromise its authenticity as well? I mean, how much is the correct smog pulley going to to cost?...all my retirement savings I guess. It would be hard to give up an "old friend" after 33 years. The car's value is secondary to me, I just liked the car and it has sentimental value to me,but I'll admit,it was reassurring that the old girl would increase in value while I enjoyed her. Now, I am not so sure. Without documentation, which my car has no provenance that I possess, it is just another car that cannot be proved real. By the way, it is a REAL Z27/Z22,X22,12B,Nor,L78,M20,712,72

Don't give up on parts !-My OE intake was Jet Hot coated over 20 years ago, too much of a risk to have it removed ,and I talked to everyone---including Jet Hot. Looks great, and no repairs---however a no-no for period correct. I've been looking since spring for another 67-68 intake--did not want to come $$ off the outrageous asking prices. Found an old tread on Team Camaro where someone had one for sale--fair price. Followed up on it to discover it was sold, but he had another one. Shot me some pics. VGC IMO. Quoted me an honest price so I sent a check out ( Owns a 69 Legends Z , gotta be ok ?--I hoped ) Intake came packaged like fragile china. Great shape and a late 67 date code. Also check on Craigslist N/E Ohio . Always seems to be a ton of extra "project parts" Picked up a set of Vintage Lakewood Traction bars for swap meet price a few weeks ago on Ebay--just got to be persistent and patient--at the same time.  Post some more pics of your car, love the history and see the old track is still operating in S/W Ohio.  Oh ,and don't sell--they "aint" costing you nothing sitting.  HAPPY HOLIDAYS

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help please, decoding car
« on: December 19, 2013, 09:04:22 PM »
Search the web a little bit " racer's math "   Calculations are done  , just plug in your numbers.  try csgnetwork.com   Engine RPM calculator.

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Maintenance / Re: Oil Pan leaks... ugh..
« on: December 19, 2013, 08:55:52 PM »
Thanks Mark, I'll plan on it then.

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Thank You Jon
« on: December 19, 2013, 07:54:49 PM »
Yup ,my pleasure reading.

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Maintenance / Re: Rockchester Quadrajet vendor suggestions
« on: December 19, 2013, 06:46:58 PM »
Sorry. I am at a loss. Between here and the Chevelle/El Camino guys you'll probably get some sound advice.

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