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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68'z28 colour combination on: August 05, 2014, 09:32:43 AM
Toad, very cool car especially if everything checks out to be the real deal for you. Look forward to more pictures as you can.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: ebay 302 on: August 02, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
I sent him a note and told him it was a really bad re-stamp, since all DZ 302 engines were built at Flint (V), and none were built at Tonawanda (T). His response?  "Yep."

Sounds like he already knows and or he doesn't care. Either way he is dishonest and therefore a crook in my book!
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 26, 2014, 08:20:21 AM
Good point! One has to do there homework, the fakers will sure screw a fella over if they get the chance.
As much as I would love to own a legit big block pace car today the one I had was a pretty rust free, original paint car. I found it in the 90's. It was an original numbers matching, small block Z/11 with A/C. If i would have known then what I know now I might not have even restored it and left it as a survivor. I did do a complete frame off restoration with Lacquer paint. In 1999 I took it to a Charlie Daniels celebrity charity event that included a car show. All of the celebrities judged and picked there favorite car. The biker/construction worker with the beard that was on Home Improvement picked my car. I can't think of his name right now but he said he almost bought one just like it new back in 69. He took pictures with me and the car and signed autographs. I sold that car for $26K in 2000. They escalated in price shortly thereafter. There have been many times I wish I still had it.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 25, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
Yes, again just my opinion and I'm not really in the loop with the latest price guides and auction results for pace cars but I believe a real, original docs, numbers matching big block, non A/C, Z/11 (especially a 4 spd car) is worth 10K more than an equivalent small block pace with A/C. I think that is a fair number.
Without giving away the location of the cars you are looking at do you have any more info or photos that you can share as far as condition and options
to compare with?
Here are a couple Hagerty price guide reports.

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vc=1100569

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vc=501529
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 25, 2014, 02:14:13 PM
I'm not sure about rarity but in my "opinion" a real numbers matching big block pace car will bring more money than a real numbers matching small block pace with A/C. That is if we are talking same basic condition and documentation, trans etc 
Now others can shoot me Smiley
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 24, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
There are some pace car experts on here so you came to the right place. I'm sure they will chime in and help you. They will want pictures of the Cowl tag and anything else that you can show like engine pad stamp, trans and rear end numbers. The information you have listed points to a true Z/11 pace car but again without pictures they are only numbers. Also, I'm pretty sure you won't find a build sheet on a Norwood built car and without some of the original factory docs such as Protecto Plate, original owners info etc I don't think you will be able to find the information you are seeking. There is no original GM source out there to retrieve factory docs like the GTO's for example. You can find out the original GM shipper and build date info from the NCRS. Check out the link below. I used to own a Z/11. They are one of my favorites. And as Darrell says, Welcome!

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11724.0
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 21, 2014, 01:37:57 PM
I saw the one you are talking about for sale. It caught my eye when I saw the ad. I won't share the link out of respect and privacy for you. It looks like your patience paid off.    I admit though that I will miss your "search" posts but now we can look forward to your documenting and or restoration posts one day.
Looks like a very nice documented car. Congrats!!
Oh and by the way you are not to far from were I will be moving hopefully by this winter. Also my X77 HO car is in a very similar condition, born with drive train, original paper work etc. as the one you just purchased. We might have to swap notes and info as we go forward.  Smiley
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: July 18, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
This is one of those threads that you can't wait to see the latest post and pics. These originals are very intriguing. Congrats Danny!
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 12, 2014, 06:21:59 PM
Looks like maybe Van Nuys had a little problem with the TT rivet and build date on more than just this car. Here is another one.
VIN 124379L516579
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Sport-Coupe-DZ-302-s-match-1969-Camaro-Z-28-Chambered-Exhaust-Muncie-4-Speed-VIDEO-/301237748956?forcerrptr=true&hash=item46232b44dc&item=301237748956&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 11, 2014, 12:25:14 PM
I am not sure about that. Does he have paperwork with the car, that would show it had a clock delete?
I think Austin is correct. No center clock meant no gauges originally. Those additions would have me checking deeper before buying. Not saying its a bad thing or bad addition I would just want to know what else was added or changed.
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 10, 2014, 08:30:53 PM
Norwood started stamping the engine VIN down near the oil filter in the early 1969 calendar year. Van Nuys  was more inconsistant and stampings have been found on both places thru April of 69. So yes it could have been stamped down by the oil filter like Norwood if its a 02B. According to Jerry some early production Van Nuys engines have been found down by the filter as well
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: July 08, 2014, 09:19:48 PM
Congrats Pete, that would sure make my day Smiley
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles on: July 07, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
6667ss138 -

Thanks for posting the information from your car.  I appreciate it.
Thank you Bryon!
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles on: July 06, 2014, 09:53:39 PM
I think so because I have a LOT of original May dated parts still on my car. I figure they were winding down and using up everything laying around knowing the shut down was coming. Trying to get rid of parts inventory.
According to William there were no cars manufactured at Norwood after July 11th until August 11th.
I will also ad that it would be surprising if they used up "everything" before the shut down so therefore I would assume that there were still parts around to be used up on the early August cars when production resumed on August 11th but that is only a guess.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12251.0
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles on: July 06, 2014, 08:04:29 PM
Hope this helps.
Here is my 07A X77 rear stamping and casting date photos. With the Norwood factory shutting down July 11th and not starting up again until August 11th I think my car would have been one of the last Z's built before the shutdown. My NCRS production date was July 10th.

VIN 9N6687XX
BU 0630 G2
E 26 9 casting date
#860NF
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