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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: August 09, 2014, 12:17:56 PM
I've seen where the driveshaft is put in a PVC tube and filled with evaporust for example. Thats what I plan to do with mine.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: August 09, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Congrats Darrell, I've been looking forward to you getting it home and letting us see.
I agree with Gary, you will probably have to carefully remove the paint and might have to get some good light and a magnifying glass and then you might only see part of the VIN numbers. That's the way it is on mine. Mine is still in the car which makes it even more difficult to read. They just didn't stamp them very hard or clear there a lot of the time.
Keep the pics and info coming!
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor..another on: August 05, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
The ebay listing is no longer available. I hope some poor sucker didn't make him an offer he couldn't refuse but rather someone called him out on it...
Bentley you strike again??  Smiley
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor..another on: August 05, 2014, 09:51:20 PM
Man that trans stamp has got to be a dead give away. I can make out N697_ _ _ possibly.

And with a "H" June date on top of that. Man this thing is bad!
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor..another on: August 05, 2014, 06:17:48 PM
Disgusting!
VIN 124379N618720
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68'z28 colour combination on: August 05, 2014, 09:32:43 AM
Toad, very cool car especially if everything checks out to be the real deal for you. Look forward to more pictures as you can.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: ebay 302 on: August 02, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
I sent him a note and told him it was a really bad re-stamp, since all DZ 302 engines were built at Flint (V), and none were built at Tonawanda (T). His response?  "Yep."

Sounds like he already knows and or he doesn't care. Either way he is dishonest and therefore a crook in my book!
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 26, 2014, 08:20:21 AM
Good point! One has to do there homework, the fakers will sure screw a fella over if they get the chance.
As much as I would love to own a legit big block pace car today the one I had was a pretty rust free, original paint car. I found it in the 90's. It was an original numbers matching, small block Z/11 with A/C. If i would have known then what I know now I might not have even restored it and left it as a survivor. I did do a complete frame off restoration with Lacquer paint. In 1999 I took it to a Charlie Daniels celebrity charity event that included a car show. All of the celebrities judged and picked there favorite car. The biker/construction worker with the beard that was on Home Improvement picked my car. I can't think of his name right now but he said he almost bought one just like it new back in 69. He took pictures with me and the car and signed autographs. I sold that car for $26K in 2000. They escalated in price shortly thereafter. There have been many times I wish I still had it.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 25, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
Yes, again just my opinion and I'm not really in the loop with the latest price guides and auction results for pace cars but I believe a real, original docs, numbers matching big block, non A/C, Z/11 (especially a 4 spd car) is worth 10K more than an equivalent small block pace with A/C. I think that is a fair number.
Without giving away the location of the cars you are looking at do you have any more info or photos that you can share as far as condition and options
to compare with?
Here are a couple Hagerty price guide reports.

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vc=1100569

http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vc=501529
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 25, 2014, 02:14:13 PM
I'm not sure about rarity but in my "opinion" a real numbers matching big block pace car will bring more money than a real numbers matching small block pace with A/C. That is if we are talking same basic condition and documentation, trans etc 
Now others can shoot me Smiley
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decoding a Pace on: July 24, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
There are some pace car experts on here so you came to the right place. I'm sure they will chime in and help you. They will want pictures of the Cowl tag and anything else that you can show like engine pad stamp, trans and rear end numbers. The information you have listed points to a true Z/11 pace car but again without pictures they are only numbers. Also, I'm pretty sure you won't find a build sheet on a Norwood built car and without some of the original factory docs such as Protecto Plate, original owners info etc I don't think you will be able to find the information you are seeking. There is no original GM source out there to retrieve factory docs like the GTO's for example. You can find out the original GM shipper and build date info from the NCRS. Check out the link below. I used to own a Z/11. They are one of my favorites. And as Darrell says, Welcome!

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11724.0
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 21, 2014, 01:37:57 PM
I saw the one you are talking about for sale. It caught my eye when I saw the ad. I won't share the link out of respect and privacy for you. It looks like your patience paid off.    I admit though that I will miss your "search" posts but now we can look forward to your documenting and or restoration posts one day.
Looks like a very nice documented car. Congrats!!
Oh and by the way you are not to far from were I will be moving hopefully by this winter. Also my X77 HO car is in a very similar condition, born with drive train, original paper work etc. as the one you just purchased. We might have to swap notes and info as we go forward.  Smiley
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: July 18, 2014, 06:41:27 PM
This is one of those threads that you can't wait to see the latest post and pics. These originals are very intriguing. Congrats Danny!
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 12, 2014, 06:21:59 PM
Looks like maybe Van Nuys had a little problem with the TT rivet and build date on more than just this car. Here is another one.
VIN 124379L516579
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Sport-Coupe-DZ-302-s-match-1969-Camaro-Z-28-Chambered-Exhaust-Muncie-4-Speed-VIDEO-/301237748956?forcerrptr=true&hash=item46232b44dc&item=301237748956&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp..opinions on: July 11, 2014, 12:25:14 PM
I am not sure about that. Does he have paperwork with the car, that would show it had a clock delete?
I think Austin is correct. No center clock meant no gauges originally. Those additions would have me checking deeper before buying. Not saying its a bad thing or bad addition I would just want to know what else was added or changed.
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