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256  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: November 01, 2013, 02:49:34 PM
Hmmm,  I'm not familiar with the museum donation info, could be true, I suppose.  But at the 55 second point in the video, the guy in the back of the car is clearly OUTSIDE of it....pretty sure there weren't two of those cars built.   Strange.

klvn8r


Agreed!.  It is strange.  I just think they must have removed the back window of a stock AMX and the guy just sat, kneeled or rested his feet on the little shelf behind the seats. 

The fact that the car appeared as a pace car at Road America (picture in reply #49 on page four) in its red with black paint job just two weeks after the 1969 Donnybrooke Trans Am event also demnostrates that the AMX with Go Pack stripes that paced the Donnybrooke Trans Am race could not be the AMX-R.  There is no way they would have painted the car a different color for the Donnybrooke Trans Am race, then paint it again in its original paint scheme for another event just two weeks later.  Also I think you would be able to see the back part of the ramble seat through the windshield in the movie footage and the color shot in reply #141 because it stuck up so much in its open position, but it does not appear to be there (see 2nd picture in this post that shows ramble seat in up position).  The top of the seat is almost even with the roof, blocking visibility behind it.  These two things are the evidence that to me really proves they are two different cars. 

Looking at all the evidence again, I just noticed that the Donnybrooke pace car has different wheels than the picture of the AMX-R at Road America two weeks later (although these could be changed easily) and the special hood on the AMX-R does not appear on the Donnybrooke pace car.     
257  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: November 01, 2013, 11:27:05 AM
That would be the Jeffords AMX-R  (Ramble seat where the trunk was).  Notice the photogs in back. 

klvn8r

klvn8r,  I don't think it is the same car.  See my posts #32 through #36 on page three of this thread and #49 on page four for further info and reasoning.
258  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: October 28, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Here is a cool shot that was captured from the original movie footage of the 1969 Trans Am race held at Donnybrooke Internaitonal Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesotta on July 6, 1969.  In it you can see the 1969 AMC AMX that was used to pace the race.  I found the picture on the Historic Trans Am Racing Enthusiasts web site: https://plus.google.com/communities/113063570193846187414/stream/c820c43a-df9a-4c4e-9636-f217468f76f1

The second picture was taken by Pete Lyons and it shows the same 1969 AMC AMX pacing the Formula 5000 cars through some speedy dry in their race at Donnybrooke a little over a month later on August 10, 1969.  See a larger version of the picture here: http://petelyons.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/F5000-1969/G0000OP_LhWFuAtk/I0000Xlk8Mp5rxZ8/C0000kmuffHpLUlo

You can see more pics and the link to the movie footage in replies #35 & 36 on page three of this thread.
259  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: October 28, 2013, 03:35:09 PM
I have located a pretty cool photo taken by Pete Lyons at the 1970 Mid-Ohio Trans Am weekend at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 7, 1970.  In it you can see a 1970 Mustang Pace Car just in front of the Under 2 Liter Alfas, BMWs, etc. on their pace lap.  See a larger version here: http://petelyons.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/U2-Trans-Am-small-cars/G00008Eo.rrqHP.I/I0000SuntpXIS3Jw/C0000wtshQuLzdyY

You can see the same car pacing the Over 2 Liter cars during the pace laps of their race in reply #8 on page one of this thread and reply #82 on page six.  The color movie footage referenced in reply #82 shows that this car was painted red.
260  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: October 27, 2013, 02:25:41 PM
I came across something interesting when I was looking over my old magazine articles about Trans Am homologation specials.  I found an article from MuscleCars Magazine from the early 1990's featuring a 1970 Panther Pink Challenger T/A that was originally used as one of two pace cars at Donnybrooke Speedway, Brainerd, Minnessotta during the 1970 racing season. 

The article states that, "this was originally one of two pace cars (the other one was Plum Crazy) used at Donnybrooke Speedway during the 1970 season.  In addition to its pace car duties, it was also used for promotional purposes at varoius national events.  At the end of the season it was sold...  It's somewhat surprising that most of the original Donnybrooke lettering and other factory equipment was still on the car...  As for the lettering, [the owner] was careful to document its color and placement, but he decided not to put it back just yet." 

Does anyone have any pictures of the pink Challenger pacing any races at Donnybrooke during the 1970 season (possibly Can Am in September)?  The pink Challeger was probably the backup pace car during the Trans Am race so it might appear in pictures from the race, although I haven't found any yet.

The Plum Crazy pace car referenced in the article is the 1970 Plum Crazy Challenger R/T convertible that was used to pace the 1970 Trans Am race at Donnybrooke International Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesotta on July 5, 1970.  Pictures of this car can be seen in replies #37 & 38 on the 3rd page of this thread as well as reply #90 on page seven.  Incidently the pictures in replies #37 & 38 were taken by Tim Winkler and can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/tim.winker/media_set?set=a.1486226766682.2062688.1564295363&type=1    When I originally posted them I couldn't remember where I found them.


261  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: October 27, 2013, 11:47:23 AM
Here is a picture of the pace lap for the 1969 Glen 500 Trans Am race held at Watkins Glen Grand Prix Course, Watkis Glen, New York on August 10, 1969. You can barely see a white 1969 Camaro convertible pace car at the head of the grid under the yellow Dunlop sign. See a larger version here about a third of the way down the page: http://forums.autosport.com/topic/121287-trans-am-racing-and-25-challenge-memories/page-4

You can also see a picture of the car at the head of the field in Reply #74 on page five of this thread.
262  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 27, 2013, 11:19:11 AM
Jon, that grid layout is one of the coolest Trans Am documents I have ever seen!
263  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: October 23, 2013, 10:32:47 PM
Here is a picture taken during the pace lap of the 1970 Herald-Traveler Trans Am Race that took place at Bryar Motorsport Park, Loudon, New Hampshire on May 31, 1970.  In it you can see that a 1970 Ford Torino GT convertible was the pace car.  I found the picture on page 30 of the March/April 1996 edition of Vintage Motorsport: The Journal of Motor Racing.  This particular issue is dedicated to the 1970 Trans Am season.  The second picture is just a close up of the same picture.  No photographer was credited in the magazine.
264  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: YouTube (or other) videos of early Trans-Am racing on: October 22, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I came across this footage of the 1967 Marlboro Double 300 Trans Am races, Marlboro Speedway, Upper Marlboro, Maryland on August 12, 1967.  See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h9OLNQDxwk&feature=related  Enjoy!
265  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 22, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
Scott, Jerry Thompson was the driver of the #9 Camaro. Don Yenko would have been the driver but he was suspended by the SCCA
for 6 months after the ARRC event in November '66 for ignoring a black flag. Carson Baird and Roger West did drive the #1 Camaro
but it is possible that Chitwood also drove for part of the race. I have seen Chitwood at that race and wearing a driving suit but standing
in the pits while racing was going on out on the track. The two engine compartment photos are of the Tom Lynch #28 Camaro. This car
left for England right after Sebring and took part in European Touring Car races for several months before coming back to the States.
The European rules required bumpers and also a rear seat.

Jon, thanks for always answering the questions that I and many others have.  I'm constantly amazed at the knowledge that you possess and share with the rest of us.
266  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 22, 2013, 10:59:47 AM
The first picture also shows multiple Camaros fighting for position out on the track but I think it must have been taken on the first lap because the car with the front bumper is the #28 Camaro of Thomas Lynch who retired on the first lap.  Every other Camaro in the race had its front bumper removed for weight savings.

The last 2 pictures show the engine compartment of what looks to be the #28 Lynch car because of the appearance of the front bumper.

Click on the corresponding link to see a larger and clearer version of the picture.

1st: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155417&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
2nd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155422&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
3rd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155423&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
267  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 22, 2013, 10:56:44 AM
The first two pictures show the #5 Camaro driven to a sixth place finish by Bob Brown.  The last two pictures show multiple Camaros fighting it out together on the track.

Click on the corresponding link to see a larger and clearer version of the picture.

1st: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=154086&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
2nd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155299&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
3rd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=154914&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
4th: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155231&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
268  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 22, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
Here are four interesting shots taken in sequence of the #5 Camaro driven by Bob Brown.  They show a pit stop for a blown drivers side front tire that had completely come off the rim while traveling back to the pits.

Click on the corresponding link to see a larger and clearer version of the picture.

1st: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155150&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
2nd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155149&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
3rd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155148&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
4th: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155147&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
269  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 22, 2013, 10:45:55 AM
Here are the only three pictures I could find in the collection of the #21 Camaro driven to a 16th place finish by Bud Gates.

Click on the corresponding link to see a larger and clearer version of the picture.

1st: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=153988&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
2nd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=154811&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
3rd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155308&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
270  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: October 22, 2013, 10:40:10 AM
Here are four pictures showing the #6 Camaro driven to a 2nd place finish by Mark Donohue.

Click on the corresponding link to see a larger and clearer version of the picture.

1st: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=153985&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
2nd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=154088&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
3rd: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155245&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
4th: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155262&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
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