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The engine is out for the first time since it was built.  It will be professionally machined and reinstalled within the next couple of years. 

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The original 250 took 30 minutes to yank out.  This car is dead-simple to work on with tons of room in the engine compartment.

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The 230 is "shore purty" now.  The back surface of the valve cover has traces of the paper sticker that denoted it was a 230 for a manual trans-equipped car.  Note the "X" on the back of the cylinder head...probably from its final inspection at the Flint, MI engine plant.

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Just wanted to give you all an update on the engine swap (sorry...no V8...just another crappy 6-banger  :'( ).  "Charlotte" has been undriven and in storage for most of the past year due to her increasingly poor-running original 250.  Although she has extremely low miles, an unfortunate attempt at getting her to run after 35 years of storage caused internal damage and sidelined her until now. 

An ad on Craigslist 3 months ago for an original 230 engine from a Frost Green 1970 Nova caught my eye, and my son Alex and I headed for Austin, MN to pick it up.  The engine is 100% original and untouched, and still has its anti-dieseling solenoid, CCS solenoid, and original 1970 date-coded plug wires.

A few hours spent with 2 cans of carb cleaner, Simple Green, an ultra-soft toothbrush, an old t-shirt, and Q-tips really cleaned things up nicely.  The engine is now ready to install.

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Last set...whew!

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3rd set.

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3rd set.

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2nd set of pics.

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The article will take several posts due to the 4 photo limit.

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David K...I see you have a '68 with a 6-banger, but I couldn't find it in your 35 pages (what-the-hell?!) worth of posts.  Congrats on not destroying it with yet another BORING V8 swap.  Doesn't it feel good to go to a show with something that is truly rare and cool (and drives people nuts)? 

I was stationed in "Sandy Eggo" from 1978-84 at 32nd Street Naval Station and owned a couple of cool F-bodies...a blue '67 RS with a 327 and a 4-speed that I bought for $1,200 from a guy in Ramona.  I put an Edelbrock Torker intake and a Holley 650 on it, as well as Hooker headers, a Hurst shifter to replace the Muncie, and a 12-bolt posi rear from a junkyard in San Ysidro (I think it was $350).  I stupidly sold it for $3,500 to another squid so I could buy a new KZ1000.  My other F-body was a '69 Trans Am I bought in Tijuana for $500 in March of '80.  It was in extremely rough shape, but I intended to keep it and restore it.  I stored it at 4-A ("AAAA") Auto Storage in the Gaslamp Quarter (oldest part of downtown SD for the uninformed) during a Westpac (a 9 month-long deployment to the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf).  When I returned to reclaim my prize, it had been stripped of all of its Trans Am parts.  Not having a crystal ball to look into the next century to see all of those parts being reproduced, I figured I would never be able to find the rare '69 TA-specific parts and I sold the car for $3,000 to a Pontiac collector from Newport Beach. It was equipped with its original Ram Air III engine, an M-21 4-speed, posi rear, rare factory gauges and tach, rare '69-only Formula wheel (2nd Gen Formula wheels were slightly different), blue standard interior, power steering and brakes, an AM radio, Rally II wheels, and factory AC.  It also had red "Ram Air" decals on the hood which I have never seen on another '69 TA (very faded...hard to see in the first photo).  The photos below show me as a 22 yr-old punk with a bad attitude  8).  Note that the license plate is from the Mexican state of Fronteras de Baja California ("Front BC").

Per your request I am posting the VCCA article on Glenn Kope's '69 six-banger Camaro.  He is mistaken in thinking that his '69 was produced with a leftover '68 3-on-the-tree steering column ('69s are the only First Gens that had their ignition switches on the steering columns).  He is also mistaken in thinking that he has the only '69 Camaro with a six-banger and a 3-on-the-tree (mine will have its 3-speed returned to its original column-shift by this time next year).  I contacted him to talk about his car and mine, but he decided not to stay in touch...his choice.



 

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This shows the options on Glenn Kope's '69.

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Thanks MO...it's a labor of love.  It's interesting how the 6 cylinder Camaros I have owned have received increased interest over the past couple of years.  Most of the Camaro guys who have seen my latest two '69s now realize that there are almost none left in existence, which is amazing considering that 26% of them were produced with sixes. 

Charlotte has it all...rarity, originality, paperwork, complete known history...the Camaro I sought for 35 or 40 years.  The fact that it was right under my nose (owned by my nephew's mother-in-law since new) for several years only adds to its mystique.

I'm attaching an article from the Jan. 2022 issue of the VCCA's (Vintage Chevrolet Club of America...I am a member) monthly magazine, the Generator and Distributor (a wonderful publication).  The cover car is a '69 Camaro with its original 250 and 3-on-the-tree shifter.  It is owned by its original owner, Glenn Kope from North Carolina.  The car is equipped very much like mine...RPO Z21 Style Trim Group, same drivetrain, whitewall tires, AM radio, but also has the "hockey stripe", front bumper guards, power steering, and full wheel covers (my car has tinted glass, which I think is a very nice option to have).  If there is any interest on here I will post the entire article.  Glenn had the entire car restored and it has won several prestigious awards. 

I'm happy to leave my car unrestored (although it will receive a professional repaint sometime in the next 2 or 3 years), as I prefer cars that are as close to original as possible.

I know of only four '69 Camaros with 6-bangers and 3-speed manuals...mine, Glenn's, a silver coupe with a blue interior and ghost flames that was for sale in AZ a few years ago, and the red convertible with a red interior and white top that was for sale in VA a few years ago (I'm guessing that car probably was swapped to a V8).  As I have said previously...rarer than a ZL1 (yes, I have heard the worn-out saying that "rare doesn't equal desirable", but that no longer applies to 1st Gen Camaros with sixes.  Go to any show with one and you will see a high level of interest in them.  I took Charlotte to a local show in Ohio that was sponsored by a Corvette club, and there was a steady stream of people who came to examine her.  Parked next to her was a Rally Green '68 RS/SS 396 convertible that received hardly a glance.

I have owned two '69 Camaros with 250 six cylinders and 3-speed manuals, and both took several months for their dealerships to unload (Charlotte was built in May, but not sold until Sept.).  Glenn Kope's '69 was also difficult for the dealer to sell due to its oddball drivetrain.

My plans for Charlotte are to temporarily swap in the 230 while her 250 is rebuilt, put the 3-on-the-tree shifter back in her, and put Frost Green wheels with dog dish hubcaps in place of the current black wheels with mag hubcaps (the car was built with them...the original Frost Green spare wheel is still in the trunk).

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MO, nice to hear from you again.  I'll be posting about the engine swap soon.  I'll have the only 230 equipped 3-speed manual coupe left in existence.  I'm betting it'll run great.  Best regards, Alex

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The air cleaner cleaned up beautifully with Simple Green, an ultra-soft bristle tooth brush, and liquid Turtle Wax, and is even nicer than my '69's original.  I will be putting this on Charlotte's engine with the top from her original air cleaner (which has a beautiful and nearly perfect "250" decal).

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Some pics of the 230.

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