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Were there any 9N7xxxxx Camaro's?

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I believe the current files we are working on were submitted around 5/7, we should beat the 30 day turnarounds we committed to considerably but there is a NCRS regional next week and I have a vacation coming up in a few weeks so it may not be significantly quicker than 30 days.

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Risnor, I have been following this subject and submitted and applications as well. This has to be a labor of love to dig and research through all these files in order to help others find out information about their car(s).  This is a great service you and your team are providing. 

I would like to thank you and your team for researching this information and sending out the information to the Camaro owners here on CRG.  To date, with the more than 600 plus application that you have received, how many actual certificates have been processed, including those that were refunded due to not being in the archive files.

 
TMR..

Statistics as of 5/18 we have processed 446 vehicles. 282 Camaro, 132 Chevelle and 32 Nova.  I'm not going to spend much time on these statistics because it just means at this point anyway I'm not processing reports.

Thank You all for the kind words, it is information the hobbyist deserves to have and I am pleased to be a part of it.

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Those will be the zone offices, many zones included multiple states.

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Roy,
Just got my refund for 9N707541. I've been glued to this thread since it started. I appreciate all the efforts by yourself
and others to accomplish this task. My question is, did I just get lucky to be one of the missing (random) or does it seem that other October 1969 build cars will also be missing? I guess my real question is whether mine might still have some hope to be found? Thanks again.

I can't answer your question about other cars missing in the same VIN area at this point. We miss about 7% of the cars we check, just the way it is. We have found batches that for some reason did not sort correctly, we have found pages that got missed in the digitization. The important thing to realize is we have kept a record of every car we missed and it is flagged as missed so if we do uncover a group of numbers we will recheck the missed cars against them and notify anyone that it affects.

Roy,

I received my refund very (reluctantly) quickly - N553XXX, in the middle of the "lost" VIN's - please keep us posted on any discoveries. I do believe I would gladly double the fee to find this one, even with the documentation of the matching numbered engine that I have with the car. I was in the first day, in the first 100 to sign up, probably one of the first to get a refund, so I lost my place in line. Thanks again for all of your efforts -

Regards -

We will get caught up on the service and when that happens the turnaround time should not be to painful. It's truly a shame this large batch of early 69 Camaro's is missing. we have confirmed the same information is missing from the NICB file as well. In the Corvette world we did a similar thing keeping track of the VIN's we missed in the initial roll out, we were able to go back and respond to better than 20% of those we initially missed.  Hopefully we will have similar success in this project.  It is a lot more complicated in this project, 10 plus plants all using the same last 6 digits, different body styles, etc. the sort routines are confusing and sometimes less than desirable.  We had one plant, two bodies, no duplicate last six on the Corvette project. By the way this sites spell check does not like Camaro - thinks it should be Camry - go figure!

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Roy,
Just got my refund for 9N707541. I've been glued to this thread since it started. I appreciate all the efforts by yourself
and others to accomplish this task. My question is, did I just get lucky to be one of the missing (random) or does it seem that other October 1969 build cars will also be missing? I guess my real question is whether mine might still have some hope to be found? Thanks again.

I can't answer your question about other cars missing in the same VIN area at this point. We miss about 7% of the cars we check, just the way it is. We have found batches that for some reason did not sort correctly, we have found pages that got missed in the digitization. The important thing to realize is we have kept a record of every car we missed and it is flagged as missed so if we do uncover a group of numbers we will recheck the missed cars against them and notify anyone that it affects.

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What do you think Roy??  :)


I think that zone 31 dealer 073 is the dealer that was invoiced by Chevrolet for Gary's car. I do think Stan is a great guy, I was fortunate enough to be able to use him as a national team leader while I was the national judging chairman for NCRS.

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I have a couple shipping documents from Scuncio Cheverolet in Greenville RI. They show a dealer code of 32613 Zone 32. Is the dealer code the same as the dealer number? Have not got my paperwork yet but hoping this is what it says.

32-613 is Scuncio Chevrolet, Wakefield - Peacedale, RI according to the GM record

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Roy,

The employee at Joe Clayton Chevrolet whom I talked to today (a long time friend) is the parts manager there.   When I explained the difference between what NCRS data had for Joe V Clayton (Zone 8/ Dealer 73)..  He said yes that is correct.    When I told him what GM records had for my car on date 18Sept69, he said he thought the old zone number was '31'...  (I was hoping he'd confused 31 and 21), but maybe it really was 31.    He mentioned 'the previous dealer' as Royal Chevrolet (I think).  I will get back with him and probably drive down there and see what they might have in terms of written documentation for the old Zone number... and will report back.

Note:  Joe Clayton Chevrolet originated in cy 1968 (could have been with the '69 model year.   Before that, the area was possibly covered by Royal Chevrolet (based in Huntsville, AL).  Back then, Clayton Chevrolet had the reputation all across north Alabama and southern Tennessee as being the area's 'high performance' headquarters where lots of people bought their muscle cars...

Gary

Gary, I'm going to hold off on your new report until we see if something shows up for 31-073 that shows Joe V Clayton on it, without that I'm left with "Based on limited information for the time frame Dealer name believed to begin with a  C and is located in AL, FL or TN".  You are so close to finding something we can give GM I would like to set on it a few days and see what happens.

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Stingr69 posted:
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My number is one of the ":missing" ones. :~("

Maybe if we put all out information together, we can figure out some of these..

1) Did you have some *idea* of where the car may have been sold originally?
2) What Zone # and Dealer # was reported to you (and based on what date?)..

My car was shipped on 18Sep1969, Zone#21 Dealer#73 reported.   I *thought* my car was sold originally at Joe Clayton Chevrolet, in Arab AL, and the current Dealer number is the same #73, but the current Zone # is 8.   I talked to my friend who works there today; he told me the last 'old employee' from that period has alzheimers, but he told me the original Zone number (from 1968 time frame) was #31 (he thought).  I'm hoping he didn't recollect this exactly and that it was 21 instead.. :)

Gary


Gary, I've been working on it from my end. the zone is #31 the dealer is #73, we still do not know the name of the dealer we think it could start with a c. The microfiche is damaged and very hard to read what we originally thought was 21 we know are sure is 31.  The dealer directory does not have the dealer name for #73.  Can yo get anything prodcued from GM that shows 31-073 is Joe Clayton Chevrolet? If you could we can take it to GM and have them update their directory.  I'm also struggling with zone 31 I think it is WV, TN area.

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I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry.

6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution

Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that!

I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!!

Anyone here have information on the GM shipping to Hawaii info??
Maybe Hawaii has records and one has to wonder if the original owner was in the service since the car traveled so much (???).

If a car was ordered by someone while on active duty the order system would have processed it through the overseas distribution.  My guess based on seeing a few of these would e your car was ordered by someone in the navy possibly stationed in Hawaii and delivered to a dealer in his home state for his return. that's all speculation but its based on what we know happened. More times than not an Overseas Distribution meant exactly that sometimes it was shipped overseas sometimes it was not.

Do you think there are additional records someplace in the navy or GM Hawaii that I can investigate?

Don't have a clue where you should start, personally I have had good success with Bill Gould his service is AutoAncestry.com 

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I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry.

6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution

Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that!

I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!!

Anyone here have information on the GM shipping to Hawaii info??
Maybe Hawaii has records and one has to wonder if the original owner was in the service since the car traveled so much (???).

If a car was ordered by someone while on active duty the order system would have processed it through the overseas distribution.  My guess based on seeing a few of these would e your car was ordered by someone in the navy possibly stationed in Hawaii and delivered to a dealer in his home state for his return. that's all speculation but its based on what we know happened. More times than not an Overseas Distribution meant exactly that sometimes it was shipped overseas sometimes it was not.

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Roy, Just out of curiosity how many request have you received so far?

the current system has 540 orders received. Before those of you reading this panic, please realize there are a lot of aborted orders, the system is pretty easy to use but a lot of orders get aborted we do not reuse a number so an aborted order throws out that number, #539 in queue in the system has #703 issued for it that means 160 plus orders were aborted..

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Well, I paid by Paypal early the first day (#136) and I haven't heard anything as yet..   not sure what I'm hoping for here.. :)    I guess if they are doing them alphabetically (my last name begins with W)  :), that's better than hearing they don't have my VIN on their records..

we are doing them numerically so the batch with your order is in process, there are only two of us, we have processed the first 100 or so at this point.

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The missing are about 3500 microfiche cards if there are about 22 cars on each one. Some boxes in a corner or closet somewhere were missed? Keep hope alive!

Not really, the microfiche does not just contain Camaro each sheet contains other models also, what is missing appears to be the original clerical input for the Norwood plant on 69 production. It is not missing microfiche pages, the data just is not on the microfiche.

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