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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: when we can no longer wrench... :) on: March 15, 2014, 09:30:30 AM
There's a point here - I may be 60, but I feel a lot younger when I'm working on my cars - therapy - always have. But it's a fact of life in two directions; Aging is inevitable, and the average age of First Gen car owners is moving along with our age bracket. A lot of us acquired our Camaros years ago, when they were affordable, and working on your vehicle was a lot easier in terms of actually being able to with common hand tools and a piece of cardboard to lay on. I wouldn't envy an enthusiast trying to get into a Camaro restoration nowadays - it's ferociously expensive compared to what it was. My X77 was $1600.00 when I bought it in '73, the Pace Car was not too bad in '94, the L78 was downright cheap in '96 compared to what it's worth today. I sold my LS5 to afford my '68, so all in all it was not bad either. To replicate what I own in this day and time would be out of reach for me, and probably for a lot of people (otherwise everybody would have one in the garage).

Just my opinion -

Regards,
Steve
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: when we can no longer wrench... :) on: March 14, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
60 here as well. Funny picture -

I've noticed I can't do as much as when I was younger, plus the fact the First Gen Corps (don't pronounce that as "corpse) are getting older by the day. Problem is what you grow up with - they just don't make 'em (and us) like they used to -

Regards,
Steve
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CRG etiquette concerning parts on E Bay on: March 14, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
The only reason he sold you that was I told him you were going to paint your car Orange... Cheesy

I had a Carousel Red 69 GTO Judge for a while in the 90's. Same as H.O. and I just had enough of that color. I think 'Cortez Silver' is way better than any other color....  Roll Eyes

Finally - a man of reason concerning color (just kidding for all of you thousands of Hugger Orange fanatics).

Ditto on the seal extensions - glad you had the offer on the one; repros are pretty decent for the extension and the seal flanges.

Regards
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 Z engine parts on: March 13, 2014, 11:37:19 PM
In regards to your suggestion of the Clevite 77's.  Are they that much better than the Sealed Power? 

I've used Clevite since my first build (Power Pack 283, '57 Bel Air) at age 16. I used them in my 302 during a rebuild in '75 - used 12.5:1 Manley pistons; at 30K miles the bearings still look pretty darn good. Machine shop warned the high compression ratio would pound the bearings out on the street, but they were incorrect. Can't argue too much with that kind of success.

Cracked stud bosses remind me of poor removal techniques - probably used a 3 pound Ford wrench to try to free them up before they attempted to pull them. Even good shops can hire lousy people -

Regards,
Steve
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 Z engine parts on: March 13, 2014, 09:08:14 PM
Clevite/Michigan 77 and ductile rings. Chrome moly rings are great for long life, but are twitchy to seat sometimes. People swear by them, but I've never had a problem with seating ductile rings in the initial startup. Proper honing techniques are all you need.

Cut your own ring gaps to factory specs - I wouldn't trust pre-gapped. Be sure and chamfer the ends slightly to keep from scratching the bores (I assume you are assembling the long block yourself), but don't go overboard.

Bummer about the studs pulling out. Did you pin 'em, use oversize (.002) studs, or drill/tap for threaded studs ? I'm not sure if GM still sells the oversize studs, but you could probably find them aftermarket. At least they'll be closest to originals in appearance if you haven't assembled the heads.

JMO -

Regards,
Steve
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Is this tag real or fake? on: March 13, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
Tag shows it as a X33, probably right about the valve covers, if that carb stud gets any longer its going to go through the hood.

My bad - I should have moused that into view.
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Is this tag real or fake? on: March 13, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
I was surprised to see the woodgrain dash on an X77 car, without Style Trim. Always though that was a no-no.

Valve covers could have used a trip to Jerry's to remove the polish. Bet they're drippers - OTC part numbers, too.

TT is possibly fake - definitely been struck hard to seat the rivets. Maybe removed for restoration ?

Regards,
Steve
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Now this is a REAL barn find on: March 12, 2014, 10:50:54 PM
Here's my version. Car is preparing to go from barn to garage, if I can figure out how to stuff 4 in a three car space. I thought about stacking them like my local Camaro junkyard has done - only I don't have a forklift like he does.

I'm prepared for the "shame on you" remarks. Please don't depress me any more than looking at these pics does already. Any small mammal enthusiasts can get a real thrill reading tracks on the windshield as well - combination of cat and 'coon. True "rat" motored car.

No, it's not a Hugger Orange Z, it's a Cortez L78 disguised as HO, plus a little Daytona thrown in for effect. On a serious note, look at the original paint/firewall line blurb right above the heater box. Black cove paint can still be seen in the trunk area.

Those are trumpet vine remnants with some blackberry canes growing inside the barn, or were. Mud dauber nest the size of a grapefruit attached to the taillight for additional camouflage.

Regards,
Steve
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Cool old 69 Z/28 commercial on: March 12, 2014, 07:41:45 PM
OMG please remove this before Gary sees it - we'll never hear the end of it !

Joking -

Steve
70  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 124379N641261 documentation on: March 07, 2014, 08:59:53 AM
Paul,

Thanks for the reply. I sent a PM to both Kurt and Ed last night to try and track down the current owner. Also posted on the forum on Camaros.net - hopefully the owner will see it. This kind of documentation is tough to come by these days -

Regards,
Steve
71  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / 124379N641261 documentation on: March 06, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
I didn't know this car had been sold and moved from the area until I Googled the VIN. I have dealer invoice, MSO, title copies back to original owner in '69. Knew the car back to '86, drove it in '89 before I moved from the area where the car owner and I lived.

Documents released only to verfied current car owner -

Regards
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: March 04, 2014, 12:30:52 AM
Darrell,

Last time I saw this car, it was being driven on the square by the former owner. A ding or 2, but nothing this dramatic. Did she survive the impact ? If she did, she must have been as tough as the car -

Regards,
Steve
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: March 03, 2014, 10:00:41 PM
Thanks steve glad you are coming around that corvette bronze is a better looking color than lemans blue.

Maybe so, but it took Chevrolet a half a year to get it right, and when they couldn't sell enough Corvette Bronze cars they discontinued it before it could be perfected. Seems like that happened with British Racing Green, too. Hmm -

Maybe I ought to repaint the '68 Z Lemans Blue - then it would be 3 Lemans vs. 1 Corvette Bronze - you think ?

74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: March 01, 2014, 10:22:16 PM
Bought my 68 L35 convertible in 1981. Was not able to vote for both cars would only let me do one. So i did her one owner 68 327/210 hp. Can you place my car in the survey thanks.

You picked the one with the best color scheme - or the most popular color. Can't fool me -

Regards,
Steve
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: February 28, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
Pic of the Pace Car in 1994 - still the same.
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