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571  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: How to spot a fake on: November 13, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
Did anyone ever tell you guys that you're pretty good ?

I looked at this series when it was first posted - I got real curious about the statement from Mark that the tag was a repop, so I compared it my known original X77 tag - I'm no expert, but I see what Mark was talking about - there are differences, very subtle, but there - whatever individual or company repopped the tag got pretty darn close - close enough to fool a lot of people I'm sure.

Just my opinion, but I agree with the general consensus. Bogus.
572  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z28 neg side terminal battery cable bolt on: November 06, 2012, 12:34:24 AM
Danny,

15 seconds in the Harbor Freight bead blast cabinet. I suppose it looks a little rough, but it ought to look dandy after replating. Note the bolt size is identical to the hex size.

Shame they don't make these anymore -

Regards,
Steve
573  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z28 neg side terminal battery cable bolt on: November 05, 2012, 07:03:50 PM
Danny - if you need this cable let me know - I won't be using it in all likelihood since I can't be sure of the number for my application -
Regards,
Steve
574  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Best source for lower ball joint? on: November 05, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
Gentlemen,

Be careful no matter what the box or the bearing/part country-of-origin says - I have at least two major bearing plants in my area that I have called on for years - they are the first to tell you that some of their parts and operations go overseas, some of which may be sent back to the states to be assembled to qualify as "Made in the USA". I won't name names, but you can read between the lines.

I don't want to get myself in trouble, but the trouble is corporate greed - that and NAFTA. We'll all be working at fast food establishments if this "global labor" doesn't even up - we've lost too many plants, too many jobs to cheap (and shoddy) labor overseas or across the border. Maybe when gas gets to $6.00 a liter in China, we can have some parity - but then again, they've got so much of our money and production over there already, $6.00, $7.00 or $8.00 a liter may be cheap to them -

Just my opinion - sorry to digress.

575  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z28 neg side terminal battery cable bolt on: November 05, 2012, 02:35:20 PM
Danny,

  The cable I have is a 5/16 hex X 5/16 bolt, as far as I can tell. Part number as embossed on the side of the cable is 8901871PV, which does not show in my '73 parts book, nor is it still valid with GM as a current number. This cable was attached to the radiator support of my 12A(1968) '69 L78 when I brought it home. Since I can't verify the number, I can't be sure that it is an original (to the car) cable - any other learned opinions out there ?

Regards,
Steve
576  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z28 neg side terminal battery cable bolt on: November 04, 2012, 11:20:02 PM
Danny,

Curious - does it look similar to this ? This cable was in my '69 L78 when I got it home - I've always wondered if it was an original (to the car) cable - it is a GM, no doubt -

Regards,
Steve
577  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Were roads salted in Union City TN on: November 04, 2012, 10:47:56 PM
Lawrence,

No problem. How long was it registered in TN ? Two of my cars ('68 and '69 Z'z) were sold new here in TN and have remained here ever since - both are fairly well preserved, considering that they both were used as daily drivers from new. My '69 has been garaged since 1980, when I retired it from the street, but the '68 was not retired until about 1996 from active duty. Both subframes are in really good condition, with light surface rust only. Up until a couple of years ago, the DOT in Tennessee would copy all of the on-file documents for a "native" TN vehicle for a $15.00 flat fee, and give them to you (how I came by my dealer invoices and MSO's on both vehicles), but they have ceased doing that as "they don't have the manpower to go through the microfiche files". Hopefully you have the POP or documentation for the 'Vette - at least you have the dealer info.

Regards,
Steve
578  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Were roads salted in Union City TN on: November 03, 2012, 09:52:40 PM
Lawrence,

    I have lived all of my short (59) life in Tennessee - I can tell you for certain that very few roads were salted in TN until not too awfully long ago - even then, it was interstate highways for the most part, rural towns usually don't have salt equipment. Large cities like Nashville do have their own, but still on a smaller scale than most northern states. I lived just east of Nashville (but still in the Metro Nashville area) in the 60's until the mid 70's, and non-state-route roads were never salted at all - you just had to wait for the weather to warm up enough to melt the ice/snow (and yes, we used to get decent snows here in the 60's and 70's). My 69 Z was sold new in Nashville, I bought it in '73, and it is still in pretty decent shape for a street car (I drove it back and forth to school in Knoxville, interstate 187 miles one way from my parent's house, for several years, and it's still pretty much rust free in spite of my abuse to it).

Regards,
Steve
579  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: October 31, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
(Reply to Kurt's question of what's wrong with my original block)

Happy Halloween - here's some stills from my latest horror classic -

Explanation - #4 cylinder breezeway. Note the details of: nice view of the #6 cylinder wall internally, the lifters still stuck in their respective bores, the new trapdoor from the lifter valley into the water jacket, the remaining half of the cam still jammed in the cam bore, with lifters still in place. One heck of an explosion - must haver been running something mixed in with the premium gas, like nitro. Either that, or the cylinder hydrauliced. Bet the driver was mildly surprised, especially if the intake came off of it a couple of inches.

Amazing fact - as bad as the destruction is/was, somebody was smart enough to keep the block with the car -

Sympathy donations accepted !

Regards,
Steve
580  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: October 27, 2012, 09:08:36 AM
Horsepower - too much of it. According to a past owner, the car was a drag car for some period of time - evidently while under a moderate level of rpm, it launched a piston through the cylinder wall (I suspect the rod was the culprit) into the lifter valley. Bad enough, but at least it went to the inside rather than the outside. Deck surface is still intact, but I don't think it's repairable. I guess it's possible to sleeve it, and patch the inside of the block, but I agree with the guy that owned the car before me - considering the fact it came with a "spare" block, it's much cheaper (and more reliable) to build another block to use as a driver, and keep the original as what it is - a 500 pound Protect-O-Plate. Not something you can leave in the glovebox, but pretty effective for documentation. I'll try to get a pic of the damage posted today - maybe someone has a better opinion of it (recovery or paperweight).

Regards,
Steve
581  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 z on ebay on: October 20, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
Right tonight it's a $7000.00 trim tag.

Regards,
Steve
582  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: October 20, 2012, 10:31:37 PM
Lynn,

Not sold yet, but still receiving bids as of this afternoon. If you need any bracket pics or measurements let me know - the originals are still mounted to my bumper, and the intermediate brackets are handy ( I also have a spare set of the intermediates I can do pics of if you need them).

Down side of looking at this thing today - realizing that when it's gone, it's gonna be difficult (no, say impossible) to ever replace - I guess I'll have to make do with the chromes -

Regards,
Steve
583  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: October 18, 2012, 04:42:03 PM
Thanks for the input so far - keep it going.

In all fairness, I should add a couple of concerns that the owner has about this block - 1) It's .060 over. No ridge in the bores, but some surface rusting (not pitted, but probably should be derusted, then honed). Pretty sure it will clean up without a problem. It was like this when I got it, been covered/garaged since I had it, but since I thought it was a standard bore for years, I was going to bore it .030 and use the L2242 pistons I had bought for it to assemble. He's afraid he'll have to sleeve all of the cylinders, or it won't be usable (like my 500 lb. boat anchor/Protect-O-Plate). 2) Initial disbelief that it is his legitimate block. My answer back - "why would I restamp a block with a random number, or any number different from my VIN ?". No answer from that question, but his interest remains.

If this deal was reversed, I have the opposite opinion - usable or not, it is the original block - that only happens once, long ago. There sure are a bunch of non-matching-numbered cars out there.
BTW - my engine is stamped as you see it (pic), his is 12/15. About a month difference in build dates (1st week December to possible 1st-2nd week in January).

Regards,
Steve   
584  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: October 17, 2012, 10:58:39 PM
Evening -

I'm going to request as many opinions as I can on this - I won't be surprised if they are pretty diverse. Just no offensive remarks, please - I'm a car owner like many of you, and an enthusiast like the rest of you.

I have been in conversation with the subject VIN car's owner concerning this block, and have offered it to him at what I think is a reasonable price - $1500.00. What I think is a reasonable price doesn't exactly coincide with what the owner thinks it should be.
 
I also think of my own situation, in that when and if I give this block up, I'm back to square 1 with my car, an original L78 with a damaged original block. Both blocks came with my car, with the intact block meant as a "spare" L78 block intended as the builder for restoring this car to driving condition. Do I search for a close date 272 4 bolt block to build, or build a later model block and hang all of my matching-casting-numbered/dated engine pieces and accessories on it for visual correctness ? My personal preference would be to get as close a match to the casting date and codes as I can (but not to restamp or clone one, as I already have the original salted away).

$64 question - how much is an original block worth to an original car ? How much value does it add to the vehicle ? Is $1500 too much to ask for  a 1-of-4,889 L78 original motors (blocks) ? Am I way out in left field ? Do I forgot all of this, and build it and drop it in my car ?


I welcome any opinions - the ones mentioned above are strictly my own -

Regards,
Steve
585  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: October 15, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
I don't want to violate posting rules, but I did list my spare VE3 on eBay this past weekend if anyone is interested in a very intact original. I hope that an owner with a need gets to it before a speculator -

Regards,
Steve
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