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571  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Radiator tag restoration on: January 27, 2013, 08:22:14 PM
After a couple of comments on the Originality section about recoring radiators, I decided to dig up the radiator tag for my Z11 L48 auto w/ A/C (UR code) and try to salvage it. Radiator tags are so extremely thin material, (you've probably noticed) that I was afarid to bead blast it without shredding it to pieces or blowing holes in it, plus removing too much material (see before pics). As I have not been able to find a repop UR tag yet, I tried something that really does work - electrolytic rust removal. A couple of hours in a plastic bucket hooked up to a battery charger can work miracles (as far as I'm concerned). Just thought I might share a few pics of before and after treatment - I have not bead blasted the tag, and may not, as a light coat of primer should finish this up before paint. Dirt cheap, and works surprisingly well, especially for tightwads like me with less-than-no-budget to work from. No holes, stamped number is plainly visible, traces of original paint remained in the crevices behind the rust.

Regards,
Steve
572  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: January 26, 2013, 08:29:18 PM
Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Another senior moment - I scrambled over the pile in the garage looking for date codes on my N66 SS rally wheels, only to discover that they are not AO code '70 Chevelle wheels (I was apparently remembering the '70 LS5 I sold last year), but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. That's what I get for owning a Chevelle ( at least I sold it to afford my '68 Z). I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

Regards,
Steve 
573  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: January 25, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Gary,

Wish mine was more of a survivor than it is.

The radiator shop in Nashville that did my friend's Z is Tanks and Tabs, 801 Fesslers Lane, Nashville, 800-874-2559. I went on the website for them, you can select the core # for the '69 Z, but it won't give you anything but the number. I'll check them out next week when I'm in town (realize it's too late to help with yours !), but with eventually 4 to do, I'd like to get a handle on a good source.

My '69 Z radiator has never been touched, tag is intact, '68 Z's radiator appears original, a little bumped and bruised, but original tag is there and intact, Z11's tag is being restored, X66's is missing. Have to go the repop route on it -

Regards,
Steve
574  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: January 25, 2013, 12:43:22 AM
Gary,

Will do. I'll try to get it tomorrow, BTW, look at the link Ed sent me for a good look at the tags and the tabs that hold them on - good pictures (great info !).

Regards,
Steve
575  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: January 25, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
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Speaking of tags, do we have a listing anywhere in the site info of a breakdown of radiator tag info ?

HERE you go Steve.

Ed


Ed - just saved me a lot of heartburn. I have looked for this info for years, never realized it was right under my fingers. Another instance of why this site is soooo appreciated - and you guys that labor so diligently on it. Incidently, I bought the right GM UR tag (by accident) years ago - this just documented why I bought it !

Thanks and regards,
Steve
576  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: January 25, 2013, 12:20:44 AM
Gary,

Tags are easily removed, with a little care. They grip around the edge of the tank, and have a couple of "spurs" that lock them on. If you're careful, they'll usually come right off without damage. Be careful of weakened (rusted) metal - it's pretty thin steel.

I have not had any of my radiators rebuilt as yet, but a fellow Z owner near me had his rebuilt by a shop in Nashville. Swears it's dead nuts, and knowing this owner very well, I'd take his word for it. His Z has been in his family since the early 70's, and he is very particular about it. I suppose it's too late to get the source for you, but according to him, the 3 row core, exact duplicate, is available. I intend on getting mine done at the same source he used (whenI can afford it).

Regards,
Steve
577  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: January 24, 2013, 06:21:18 PM
Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Regards,
Steve
578  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: January 24, 2013, 06:06:04 PM
Speaking of tags, do we have a listing anywhere in the site info of a breakdown of radiator tag info ? Specifically Z11 L48 auto A/C cars - both of my Z's have their original tags, but the Z11 is missing in action (probably from the apparent rework before I bought the car, hence my reference above to "remove it before you send it" post).

Regards,
Steve
579  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: January 24, 2013, 05:38:28 PM
Make sure they Save the TAG!

Better yet, remove the tag before you send it out !
580  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cylinder head question on: January 19, 2013, 01:16:30 PM
Alan Colvin's Chevrolet by the Numbers supports it. I have seen both on L48 69's.

Regards,
Steve
581  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Wiper Motor Repair on: January 12, 2013, 05:42:40 PM
Gary,

Good coverage in the 1969 Chassis Service Manual starting in section 12-35 for the procedures if you want to tackle this yourself. I would not recommend disassembly of the gearcase unless you want to bolt it back together - the factory procedure is to drill out the staking tabs and bolt it back together using "screws, nuts and washers.....contained in a service repair package". If the gears are O.K., I recommend replacing the brushes, cleaning the armature, outer cases, replacing the mount cushions: paint and detail and you should have a pretty good looking and functional part. I have only seen one business advertised in Hemmings in a good while for restoring electrical wiper motors - might be more options on the net, but I have no reference for you. Parts might be tough - if you have a friendly dealership, if they don't list them as current have them look them up on the locator - you might get lucky. You can also try a local AC/Delco service parts company if there are any left around - I haven't had the occasion to buy from one in a couple of years.
Please see the following - these are the only details I have ever seen different between the original part # 5045605 RS wiper motors assemblies, and replacement motors like the # 4918442. The end frame (rear bearing support) cover is stamped with the part number, there usually is a sliver tag with part number and date code as you see in the pic (now available as a repop, correct), and the 2 drilled holes for the directional valve (solenoid coil operated) mounted directly on top of the motor housing, as you know. The valve and valve parts are produced by Impala Bob's that I have seen - he apparently is the primary supplier to a lot of the catalog houses, but will sell components if you can make repairs to your original. The valves are pretty fragile, and break easily when old.I can supply you with part numbers if you don't have access to a GM parts manual - tell me what you need.

Regards,
Steve
582  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations.. on: January 10, 2013, 11:26:32 PM

  As for the doubters I feel like others have said. I know that my 68 is a Z/28 and not a clone or whatever term someone wants to use; and if the doubters don't believe it then too bad because I bought it for me to enjoy not to convince someone else of what it is.

Amen
583  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations.. on: January 10, 2013, 11:22:19 PM
Steve,
Are you going to the swap meet in Nashville on the 18-19th?
Gary

Gary,

Hopefully. I'm usually at the Stones River AACA swap meet in Feb as well. I enjoy these meets - I have bought a lot of great parts at both over the years. They are the ray of sunshine in the bleak winter months -

Regards,
Steve
584  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 NOS ZL-1 engine possibility ? on: January 10, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
I checked my '74 parts manual before I posted the pictures - the partial or fitted 427 blocks are different part numbers. This probably appears in the Special Performance parts listings (I have one around here somewhere), which would support the part number on the tag. I do not have a clear picture of the freeze plugs. I do have a pic of the 842 head (838 part number), plus the other service part head. So far, everything appears as he described it - early 70's. No claim that it is a '69, just a ZL-1 block. Or should we call it an L88 ? One in the same ?

Just my opinion -

Regards,
Steve
585  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations.. on: January 10, 2013, 10:50:52 PM
I've had my first Camaro since '73. I hate fakes, but I don't mind clones too much, as long as someone doesn't try to pass them off as legit. In any event, my Camaros have increased in value every year, and I take absolute pride in owning them. Like Mike, I hope to pass them down to my kids as a legacy and an inheritance, and I hope that I can do that without having to part with any of the cars to afford their continuing educations. BTW, my first '69 Z, the '73 purchase, has been on hold since the birth of my first child - your responsibilities change, but your dreams don't.
 
This hobby is total therapy to me - I enjoy scrounging for parts, attending swap meets and shows, talking to my friends and fellow owners about them. They are a link to our past, a time when things were very different and life seemed a great deal less complicated than it has become today.

Keep the faith - and keep your car.

Regards,
Steve
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