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571  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: October 15, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
I don't want to violate posting rules, but I did list my spare VE3 on eBay this past weekend if anyone is interested in a very intact original. I hope that an owner with a need gets to it before a speculator -

572  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Urethane Repair Product for VE3 Special Front Bumper on: October 11, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
See the post(s) in General Discussion "Reproduction Endura bumpers are horrible" - unfortunately, GM discontinued the repair kits you will see pics posted of, but there is a guy out there doing repair work that looks to be a really decent deal.
I have a VE3, my original to the X77 I bought in '73, that needs help like I suppose most of them do - car was jacked up using the correct bumper jack/bracket (which is still in the car), but the bracket didn't keep the bumper from really getting messed up after it was jacked up a time or two. I love the design and appearance of the Hypalons, but they have been a problem as long as I have been around them to maintain/protect. Two weeks after a fresh repaint on the car in 1975, a Volkswagen rolled back into my Z and cracked the paint on the bumper. Talk about road rage - 
573  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exterior Door Handle - Chrome on: October 06, 2012, 10:48:07 AM

Likely depends on who is doing the chrome. This situation developed on the front bumper, where the guards really hang on the back edge - the weight of the guard and the leverage it generated just hanging there (before the lower bolts were installed) was all it took to dimple the chrome. The chrome itself was really perfect, too - too perfect. I will not repeat the name of the shop, but it was a nationally advertised business, and I really don't attach a problem to them for doing what they perceived as a proper (and good) job. My point was the difference between show chrome and OEM chrome processes - what you could see if a shop goes overboard on the copper plate -
Fortunately, or unfortunately, my '68 Z bumper is not re-plated. My '69 Pace wears an original, and '69 Z has a NOS waiting for it. The poor barn car SS has mud dauber nests. So it goes -

574  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: radiator supports on: October 04, 2012, 09:41:26 PM

   Love the Woodie, really love the station, really hate the snow.

   Last NOS quarters I bought were $328.00. Fenders were $225.00 w/ extensions. NOS '69 dash pad was $80.00. First cowl hood I bought for my Z was $85.00. Radiator support was about the same. NOS deck lid was $200.00.

   Yeah, wish I had bought a truckload, like the load a guy (collector, museum owner) near here did - $19,000.00 worth, '80's time period. Of course, he had 24 Yenkos and 1 ZL1 at that time, maybe 4 Pacers. Sold off sheetmetal for years afterward - locally. No lie.

    I agree repop supports are junk. Good way to spot one - you can bend the top rail with your bare hands with a very little bit of pressure. Really cheap -

575  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exterior Door Handle - Chrome on: October 03, 2012, 11:27:29 PM
Tell you a good one - show versus "factory" chrome -

A friend of mine bought a 4400 mile '68 SS coupe a few years ago - car was featured in one of the Camaro books (Hooper's?) for the frame markings, original paint and date codes - this car smelled new on the inside, and we even conjectured the original air was in the tires. Beautiful car, fanatical owner, decided he didn't like the original factory "flash" chrome on the bumpers, so he removed them and the guards and had a local (national reputation) chrome shop rechrome them (about $500.00 worth many years ago) in show chrome - when he got to the point of installation, when he hung the front guards on the bumper to bolt them up, the weight of the guards dimpled the chrome (copper layer on show chrome is very thick, very soft). Being extremely upset, the owner sent them back three times, and only accepted them after all the copper was buffed off, and the chrome was plated over the nickel coat without copper layers to emulate the "factory" flash coat. True story - I transported the bumpers back and forth to the shop myself.
The down side to "factory" chrome when you are plating used parts - you can't use copper (or very much copper), otherwise you'll see the difference right off, plus you'll usually have pits that you can't buff out (no copper to fill/level them). BTW, when we dropped the rear bumper on this car, the rear bumper was stamped inside the bumper with a date code, roughly 3/4" stamped letters - I had never seen that on any bumper before, maybe because of mileage or age. Just my opinion -
576  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Speedo cable length... on: September 29, 2012, 08:29:12 PM

After reviewing the posts, and getting a phone call from my '68 parts expert/Camaro owner/best friend, I think the proper length is likely 61 in. My original cable is still hooked up in the car, or I would have checked the replacement cable against it. Another episode of post-before-you-check-it; please don't hold it against me - just trying to help.

Anyone need a new 56.1 inch new cable assembly ?

577  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: September 23, 2012, 10:32:10 PM

  I apologize for not sending these sooner. Lighting conditions in my garage are not conducive to high contrast pictures, so I used White-Out to highlight the stamping, in case you are wondering what the light colored stuff is. T1215JH, cast date K228, VIN 19N571318 (stamped from the transmission side up, kind of the opposite direction from a lot of blocks I have seen. Casting date is on the side of the block, my original is behind the manifold at the bellhousing flange (also is VIN stamped on the front pad, prior to the January location change).
I did measure the bores (for the first time) - I had stated in an earlier post that it was standard bore, but it's .060 over. No ridge, could possibly stay at .060, but at least it is an original block.

578  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Speedo cable length... on: September 23, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
Here you go, guys. Note part number and length as stated on the package. My Z is a known M-21 - this is my backup cable (ordered when they started going disco -


P.S. In case the picture is indistinct, 56.1", 1425mm, part number 6480250 outer cover and inner cable assm. -
579  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: September 21, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
Evening, Gentlemen -

I wish had started reading posts at CRG years ago - it really goads me into looking for solutions that I have ignored for years upon years. Anyone ever use John @ ? He has some really nice examples of his work on the site, and gave me a rough estimate of repairing my original (jack damaged) Endura bumper for my X77 - price starts around $375.00.
I had some delusions about being able to repair my own for years, even purchasing the aforementioned GM repair kit attached, but I would rather hand this over to a more experienced shop, hopefully like John's. If someone has past experience with this man, please post it.

580  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Repo Radiator Tag 68 Z28 on: September 16, 2012, 08:49:04 PM
Anyone ever contact The Parts Place ? I bought a tag for my LS5 Chevelle - a very correct appearing tag; I've seen their '69 Z, L48 and BB tags, look pretty good. I don't know if they are a distributor, or possible manufacturer ?
581  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Horn GM Numbers on: September 12, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
You can also get these from a number of Camaro vendors as correct reproductions (like Camaro Central's STE-637 set). Brackets are correct, and welded like the originals, plus they look dead on. Probably beats trying to find a used set and having them rebuilt (like I'm having to do with my originals).

582  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 302 engine build piston recomendations on: September 12, 2012, 07:07:19 PM
I agree with tmodel - Speed Pro makes good stuff, research point-of-origin for where they come out of, and I believe they purchased/merged the TRW Automotive Group parts division when TRW got out from under it. Still, if you can find a set of used +.030 L2210's, I would buy them if it was me - still hard to beat good 'ole TRW pistons.
Good luck - hope you find a worthy set.

583  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 302 engine build piston recomendations on: September 11, 2012, 09:17:19 PM
First design 302 pistons used the narrow ring, '67 up to very early '68, when it was changed to the wider ring groove/second design piston. I'm pretty sure as I have the .030 over early '68 design in my '68 Z engine on the stand (hand filed the rings myself) - like yours, it won't see that many miles, so I decided to use them. They look different (see Jerry's book if you haven't already) but I like 'em. Second design 302 pistons used the wider ring, obviously, plus floating pins instead of press fits. I was fortunate enough to buy a NOS '68-9 set from GM right after they were discoed - wish I could have bought a bunch of them.
Biggest difference between the hypereutectics and the forged piston is piston growth - the cast pistons don't expand near as much as the forged ones under use, and are more stable/seal better in the bore, and don't require as near as large of a bore (read as skirt clearance), therefore less blowby. On the other hand, as was mentioned, I don't trust them at the higher rpm ranges (piston manufacturers would probably not want to hear that from anyone !)
The third set of 302 pistons I have is a set of forged Manley 12.5:1's - I actually ran them on the street in the 302 for nearly 30K miles - of course, I was putting 100+ octane leaded Union 76 gas in the tank at the time - '73-'75. The look exactly like the std. GM 302 pistons, except taller dome, and were floaters themselves. Made a liar out of my machinist - he said I'd pound the mains out of it within 10K miles - bearings still look brand new - plus you could have probably run kerosene in it and it wouldn't have complained.
Just some opinions -
584  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original 69 SS coupe and vert Jacking Instructions 3949515 sticker on: September 09, 2012, 10:05:34 PM

   And you thought your jacking instructions were in bad shape ? Check out mine (03C Z11, YJ wheels). I have to go uncover my X77 and see what the instructions look like (15" YH, original Endura car). Original jack is still with the car as well -

585  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: September 09, 2012, 09:27:13 PM
Amazingly sharp eyes - as many hours/years as I have spent going through the Definitive book, I never thought to look at the window stickers (or shippers) to see if it matched. That's almost as good of a detective job as Jerry locating the 'Old Reliable' '68.

Yes, it is a JH, standard bore - now you also know why I was a little cagey in releasing that info. If we could only find the car (intact), maybe the current (legit, and only legit) owner would like to deal for the original block - wonder where Jerry got the window sticker copy ?

Great job - BTW, if the car is gone, this block will reside in my '69 L78 Cortez original SS someday - the original block is damaged (makes a good 500 pound Protect-O-Plate). Got both blocks with the car when I bought it -

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