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571  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 z on ebay on: October 20, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
Right tonight it's a $7000.00 trim tag.

572  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: October 20, 2012, 10:31:37 PM

Not sold yet, but still receiving bids as of this afternoon. If you need any bracket pics or measurements let me know - the originals are still mounted to my bumper, and the intermediate brackets are handy ( I also have a spare set of the intermediates I can do pics of if you need them).

Down side of looking at this thing today - realizing that when it's gone, it's gonna be difficult (no, say impossible) to ever replace - I guess I'll have to make do with the chromes -

573  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: October 18, 2012, 04:42:03 PM
Thanks for the input so far - keep it going.

In all fairness, I should add a couple of concerns that the owner has about this block - 1) It's .060 over. No ridge in the bores, but some surface rusting (not pitted, but probably should be derusted, then honed). Pretty sure it will clean up without a problem. It was like this when I got it, been covered/garaged since I had it, but since I thought it was a standard bore for years, I was going to bore it .030 and use the L2242 pistons I had bought for it to assemble. He's afraid he'll have to sleeve all of the cylinders, or it won't be usable (like my 500 lb. boat anchor/Protect-O-Plate). 2) Initial disbelief that it is his legitimate block. My answer back - "why would I restamp a block with a random number, or any number different from my VIN ?". No answer from that question, but his interest remains.

If this deal was reversed, I have the opposite opinion - usable or not, it is the original block - that only happens once, long ago. There sure are a bunch of non-matching-numbered cars out there.
BTW - my engine is stamped as you see it (pic), his is 12/15. About a month difference in build dates (1st week December to possible 1st-2nd week in January).

574  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: October 17, 2012, 10:58:39 PM
Evening -

I'm going to request as many opinions as I can on this - I won't be surprised if they are pretty diverse. Just no offensive remarks, please - I'm a car owner like many of you, and an enthusiast like the rest of you.

I have been in conversation with the subject VIN car's owner concerning this block, and have offered it to him at what I think is a reasonable price - $1500.00. What I think is a reasonable price doesn't exactly coincide with what the owner thinks it should be.
I also think of my own situation, in that when and if I give this block up, I'm back to square 1 with my car, an original L78 with a damaged original block. Both blocks came with my car, with the intact block meant as a "spare" L78 block intended as the builder for restoring this car to driving condition. Do I search for a close date 272 4 bolt block to build, or build a later model block and hang all of my matching-casting-numbered/dated engine pieces and accessories on it for visual correctness ? My personal preference would be to get as close a match to the casting date and codes as I can (but not to restamp or clone one, as I already have the original salted away).

$64 question - how much is an original block worth to an original car ? How much value does it add to the vehicle ? Is $1500 too much to ask for  a 1-of-4,889 L78 original motors (blocks) ? Am I way out in left field ? Do I forgot all of this, and build it and drop it in my car ?

I welcome any opinions - the ones mentioned above are strictly my own -

575  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: October 15, 2012, 07:41:10 PM
I don't want to violate posting rules, but I did list my spare VE3 on eBay this past weekend if anyone is interested in a very intact original. I hope that an owner with a need gets to it before a speculator -

576  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Urethane Repair Product for VE3 Special Front Bumper on: October 11, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
See the post(s) in General Discussion "Reproduction Endura bumpers are horrible" - unfortunately, GM discontinued the repair kits you will see pics posted of, but there is a guy out there doing repair work that looks to be a really decent deal.
I have a VE3, my original to the X77 I bought in '73, that needs help like I suppose most of them do - car was jacked up using the correct bumper jack/bracket (which is still in the car), but the bracket didn't keep the bumper from really getting messed up after it was jacked up a time or two. I love the design and appearance of the Hypalons, but they have been a problem as long as I have been around them to maintain/protect. Two weeks after a fresh repaint on the car in 1975, a Volkswagen rolled back into my Z and cracked the paint on the bumper. Talk about road rage - 
577  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exterior Door Handle - Chrome on: October 06, 2012, 10:48:07 AM

Likely depends on who is doing the chrome. This situation developed on the front bumper, where the guards really hang on the back edge - the weight of the guard and the leverage it generated just hanging there (before the lower bolts were installed) was all it took to dimple the chrome. The chrome itself was really perfect, too - too perfect. I will not repeat the name of the shop, but it was a nationally advertised business, and I really don't attach a problem to them for doing what they perceived as a proper (and good) job. My point was the difference between show chrome and OEM chrome processes - what you could see if a shop goes overboard on the copper plate -
Fortunately, or unfortunately, my '68 Z bumper is not re-plated. My '69 Pace wears an original, and '69 Z has a NOS waiting for it. The poor barn car SS has mud dauber nests. So it goes -

578  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: radiator supports on: October 04, 2012, 09:41:26 PM

   Love the Woodie, really love the station, really hate the snow.

   Last NOS quarters I bought were $328.00. Fenders were $225.00 w/ extensions. NOS '69 dash pad was $80.00. First cowl hood I bought for my Z was $85.00. Radiator support was about the same. NOS deck lid was $200.00.

   Yeah, wish I had bought a truckload, like the load a guy (collector, museum owner) near here did - $19,000.00 worth, '80's time period. Of course, he had 24 Yenkos and 1 ZL1 at that time, maybe 4 Pacers. Sold off sheetmetal for years afterward - locally. No lie.

    I agree repop supports are junk. Good way to spot one - you can bend the top rail with your bare hands with a very little bit of pressure. Really cheap -

579  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exterior Door Handle - Chrome on: October 03, 2012, 11:27:29 PM
Tell you a good one - show versus "factory" chrome -

A friend of mine bought a 4400 mile '68 SS coupe a few years ago - car was featured in one of the Camaro books (Hooper's?) for the frame markings, original paint and date codes - this car smelled new on the inside, and we even conjectured the original air was in the tires. Beautiful car, fanatical owner, decided he didn't like the original factory "flash" chrome on the bumpers, so he removed them and the guards and had a local (national reputation) chrome shop rechrome them (about $500.00 worth many years ago) in show chrome - when he got to the point of installation, when he hung the front guards on the bumper to bolt them up, the weight of the guards dimpled the chrome (copper layer on show chrome is very thick, very soft). Being extremely upset, the owner sent them back three times, and only accepted them after all the copper was buffed off, and the chrome was plated over the nickel coat without copper layers to emulate the "factory" flash coat. True story - I transported the bumpers back and forth to the shop myself.
The down side to "factory" chrome when you are plating used parts - you can't use copper (or very much copper), otherwise you'll see the difference right off, plus you'll usually have pits that you can't buff out (no copper to fill/level them). BTW, when we dropped the rear bumper on this car, the rear bumper was stamped inside the bumper with a date code, roughly 3/4" stamped letters - I had never seen that on any bumper before, maybe because of mileage or age. Just my opinion -
580  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Speedo cable length... on: September 29, 2012, 08:29:12 PM

After reviewing the posts, and getting a phone call from my '68 parts expert/Camaro owner/best friend, I think the proper length is likely 61 in. My original cable is still hooked up in the car, or I would have checked the replacement cable against it. Another episode of post-before-you-check-it; please don't hold it against me - just trying to help.

Anyone need a new 56.1 inch new cable assembly ?

581  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: September 23, 2012, 10:32:10 PM

  I apologize for not sending these sooner. Lighting conditions in my garage are not conducive to high contrast pictures, so I used White-Out to highlight the stamping, in case you are wondering what the light colored stuff is. T1215JH, cast date K228, VIN 19N571318 (stamped from the transmission side up, kind of the opposite direction from a lot of blocks I have seen. Casting date is on the side of the block, my original is behind the manifold at the bellhousing flange (also is VIN stamped on the front pad, prior to the January location change).
I did measure the bores (for the first time) - I had stated in an earlier post that it was standard bore, but it's .060 over. No ridge, could possibly stay at .060, but at least it is an original block.

582  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Speedo cable length... on: September 23, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
Here you go, guys. Note part number and length as stated on the package. My Z is a known M-21 - this is my backup cable (ordered when they started going disco -


P.S. In case the picture is indistinct, 56.1", 1425mm, part number 6480250 outer cover and inner cable assm. -
583  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Reproduction Endura Bumpers are horrible on: September 21, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
Evening, Gentlemen -

I wish had started reading posts at CRG years ago - it really goads me into looking for solutions that I have ignored for years upon years. Anyone ever use John @ ? He has some really nice examples of his work on the site, and gave me a rough estimate of repairing my original (jack damaged) Endura bumper for my X77 - price starts around $375.00.
I had some delusions about being able to repair my own for years, even purchasing the aforementioned GM repair kit attached, but I would rather hand this over to a more experienced shop, hopefully like John's. If someone has past experience with this man, please post it.

584  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Repo Radiator Tag 68 Z28 on: September 16, 2012, 08:49:04 PM
Anyone ever contact The Parts Place ? I bought a tag for my LS5 Chevelle - a very correct appearing tag; I've seen their '69 Z, L48 and BB tags, look pretty good. I don't know if they are a distributor, or possible manufacturer ?
585  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Horn GM Numbers on: September 12, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
You can also get these from a number of Camaro vendors as correct reproductions (like Camaro Central's STE-637 set). Brackets are correct, and welded like the originals, plus they look dead on. Probably beats trying to find a used set and having them rebuilt (like I'm having to do with my originals).

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