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541  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: December 29, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
I have to comment about Flint based on what I have seen in engine assembly over the last 30 years or so - I can count among my customers GM Spring Hill (formerly Saturn) for 1.9L, 2.2L, and 2.4L- 4's and transmissions, Nissan Decherd for V6 and ZH2 5.6L V8 production, Navistar/International diesel production V8 (5 heavy transfer lines), Hyundai Montgomery Theta 4 and V6 lines, and got to tour GM Opel L850 2.4L KS Germany and the plum of Stuttgart, Mercedes Engine V6-V8 production. I have helped tool a lot of processes from camshaft to crank machining to cylinder bore/block machining, plus small parts machining like water pumps/front covers and everything else, but in all this time I have never seen anything to beat seeing the film of the block gang installing pistons on the V8 line in Flint. Mercedes touted their robotic assembly in the Stuttgart plant, but the whole time I observed the place I kept thinking about the pace at which our venerable small blocks sailed out of the Flint plant (since 55?) and into what many of us own yet.

Kudos to all who ever worked in either facility. Your craftsmanship still powers us today -

IMO

Regards,
Steve
542  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original/Reproduction Smog Setups for '69 Z28?? on: December 28, 2012, 11:45:02 PM
Beg your pardon - the "original" pulley pic on eBay is not $599.00 - it's $999.00. The other "original" at $599.00 is an ink-stamped version.

Regards,
Steve
543  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original/Reproduction Smog Setups for '69 Z28?? on: December 28, 2012, 11:29:25 PM
Several listed on eBay, from ink-stamped later production to originals - don't get me wrong, I would always rather have original GM over repops (any day of the week), but in light of the fact I don't want to spend $600 on a pulley when I can get a decent repro of one, good price, I'll bite until I can find an original.

The 2 pics attached - one that I pirated from Parts Place, the other is a current eBay listing at $599.00. I saw Pacecar Jeff's listings on there as well. I would rather have the stamped versions as closer to the originals than the ink-stamped ones myself. Note the stamping on the repop is pretty close in font and position to the pic of an original, with the original added "P" stamp at 120 degrees. (at least I belive it's an original - one never knows !)

The disclaimer - this is always my own opinion - everyone has a different one -

Regards,
Steve
544  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original/Reproduction Smog Setups for '69 Z28?? on: December 28, 2012, 04:17:30 PM
I should have added that I have bought from them before - your original post mentioned them (I was confirming them as a source).

$79.00 for the 2458 pulley is a heck of a lot better than the ones I have seen advertised at $600 - $1200 NOS (and higher). I guess it depends on your desire to keep it as a survivor or what level of restoration you want to accomplish or have it judged for.

Regards,
Steve
545  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original/Reproduction Smog Setups for '69 Z28?? on: December 28, 2012, 04:07:48 PM
Check out the Parts Place, Inc. also for spot-on repop pulleys. Decent pricing, too. Complete systems are available (turnkey, less manifolds).

You can put together a correct system for a lot less money than some of the suppliers ask - takes some creative scrounging, but it can be done ( I have three smog cars - thanks goodness for one automatic - ).

Regards,
Steve
546  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 50 Z/28's For Sale ??? on: December 27, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
Some one please refresh my memory - when the trim tag and/or VIN numbers were reset towards the end of the '69 model year to extend the Camaro production until the 2nd Gen came out, what were they reset to ? I'm too lazy in my old age to go look it up. Might be in Jerry's Definitive book ?

Gotta love that nice, crisp and perfect trim tag - even with the straight 7's.

Regards,
Steve
547  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 50 Z/28's For Sale ??? on: December 26, 2012, 08:07:11 PM
Shame they don't include a trim tag pic or engine/trans stamping details. Good way to get around the "numbers matching" statements. Must be quite a collection to have 50 Z's in one spot.

Regards,
Steve
548  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: Orphaned block 19N571318 on: December 23, 2012, 12:12:16 AM
Thanks for the $0.02 - that's pretty much how I feel.

The owner's offer is pretty low - I'll keep and build it myself. I'm certainly not afraid of .060 over, seeing as I don't intention Banzai 7000 rpm launches or street racing - old age finally taught me the errors of youth and hormones. I prefer the sound of an idling solid lifter big block than a 10,000 rpm imported FWD sewing machine.

Regards,
Steve
549  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 350 metal vacum line correct on: December 20, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
Hey pracing -

I've got one of these if you need an original - be glad to send it to you if you'll pay the freight. I'll try to dig it out of the frozen garage tonight and get a pic if you want -

Regards,
Steve
550  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any ideas how to find my old 69 Z-28 on: December 20, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
Are you sure you don't have an old registration receipt buried somewhere ? I found one from my first car ('57 Bel Air) and tracked the car through my DMV. Yours might not (read as "probably" due to Fed privacy laws), but they ought to be able to tell you if the car is still registered in the state. Local law enforcement might track it for you, if you have a friend -

Regards,
Steve
551  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: building a garage on: December 20, 2012, 06:53:59 PM
It's NEVER big enough. I built a 32 X 28 foot, 1-18' roll up, 1-10' roll up, and made 3 mistakes: 1) a 10' ceiling, 2) a 4/12 pitch on the roof, and 3) I had one car when I built it. There are three inside now, with the fourth going in soon. I stick built it myself, so the only person I can complain about for the error in design is me. Do yourself a favor, and put a steep enough pitch to the roof where you can either second-story above the garage space for storage or a rec area. A friend of mine had a good idea (and lived in a heavily code-strict area), so he floored the upstairs in 2 X 10's with a tongue and groove sub floor, a large (wide) staircase attached with hinges and a winch to raise and lower it, and stored heavy items like blocks, heads, and manifolds there by the dozens. Ceiling was at least 12 feet. Clear span, no posts.
I wired mine myself (as long as you permit here, and have the requisite rough-in and finish inspections, they'll approve it), and saved myself a bunch of money plus I got everything I needed. 100 amp primary, ground faulted wall and ceiling outlets, 30 amp 230 service for welder/light compressor, 50 amp circuit for the big compressor/heater, 8 foot strip flourescents and eve lights, side and entry lights. Alarm circuits, cable TV and phone lines to boot. Now, if I had only built it larger - I might have had room to work on the cars inside (parts and cars are tough to step on when walking through the garage).

Good luck,
Steve
552  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This Car Has "Wrong" Written All Over It. on: December 16, 2012, 05:57:26 PM
Brings up something I read years ago while the USCC was still around - seems I remember one or two verified Z's that had 388 blocks, sometime after the start of the 3956618 casting series, purportedly because of a brief casting shortage during production. Flint production ? Tonawanda ? Saginaw ?

My 69 Pacer has a 388, as a lot of the Pace Cars had in production between 2D and 5A-B, so the Z's might fall in those dates. Can anyone verify this ?

Regards,
Steve
553  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This Car Has "Wrong" Written All Over It. on: December 16, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
A real shame, considering it is a nice car. The stamp is pitiful - I don't think the assembly techs ever used individual stamps, hand held, to stamp the engine code. Maybe they lost the stamp holder on that day -
554  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro on Ebay on: December 14, 2012, 10:44:01 PM
In my own opinion,

The "purchaser", AKA high bidder, had 263 auctions to his credit on eBay - really makes you wonder if this was a bid-up, or an owner trying to bid the car up to make more from the sale. I've seen similar situations where someone was "selling it for a friend" - turned out to be a situation where the friend was the owner bidding on his own vehicle to increase the bids/activity. A dead giveaway would be if it met a reserve, and then ran into a "non-paying bidder" and got relisted. Not saying this was happening in this case - just makes you wonder, especially when there are sooo many things incorrect about the car.

Too bad - hope no one got snookered, but it sure has the indications.

Regards

555  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Hood hinges on: December 13, 2012, 07:41:51 PM
There are 2 listings in Hemmings for hood hinge rebuilders - Rowland Hall, (818) 845-3574, CA (no web site), and SMS Auto Restoration Services, www.sms-auto.com, 800-989-6660, NH. I have not tried either yet. Rowland lists capabilities as rebuilding to original condition, reboring rivet holes and using new (correctly marked) rivets, and finishes including powder coat, zinc iridite and phosphate. If you do try either, be sure and share your experiences with the rest of us. If either can rebuild for less than a nominal NOS price, it's worth it in my estimation. I don't like repops. There are probably additional people out there; I have had good luck using Hemmings advertisers for many years.

One tip for aligning hinges - mark or outline the position of your old ones before removing them. You'll have three directions and panels to consider, plus the latch, so go slooowly when you are test closing the hood. You may get the gaps right, and then discover the hood is too low in the back, or too high compared to the cowl grille. Side to side is affected by the position of the hinges on the underside of the hood. After messing with it for a while, I quickly began to admire the assembly line techs - they only have a few brief moments to get hinges and hood installed and adjusted. Practice makes perfect -

Regards,
Steve
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