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496  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Another Tonawanda Z on: March 08, 2013, 10:12:47 AM
Noticed this one was removed from auction - wonder if it sold, or just removed for further tweaking ? Pretty car, but details like the shroud warning tag are an instant flag that someone didn't complete their homework assignment -

Regards,
Steve
497  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro on Ebay on: March 06, 2013, 08:56:42 AM
Car has been listed 3 times now.
Surely a fair bit of shill bidding going on;
First auction ended December 14, 2012 - 48 bids, "sold" for $31,001
Relisted, Second auction ended January 9, 2013 - 50 bids, "sold" for $32,500
Relisted, currently had 45 bids, reached $24,100
Each time, listing states "no reserve", so why doesn't it sell? Hmm....


I believe you hit the nail squarely on the head. To me, a sure sign of a ghost bidder is (for example) whoever the bidder on this auction is marked 3***i with 10 auctions to his/her credit, pushing the bid up $500.00 periodically. I watched an auction not long ago that happened just that way - guy was using a proxy seller, anybody can do the same thing. After a while, it may backfire on the seller occasionally, or it hangs until some unsuspecting bidder happens on it and falls for it. I imagine scenario that happens a lot. I hope they lose their collective shirts.

IMO,
Steve
498  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 Question on: March 03, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
Early/mid February. Engine build/car build was running pretty close in the early '69 production days, seems to average 1-2 weeks prior to car build in January - February. Post the VIN and it will help bracket the date -

Regards,
Steve
499  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Another Tonawanda Z on: March 03, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
My concern is the damage these misrepresentations due to our hobby - I guess there is nothing that can keep people from believing what they see as being correct, at least in their minds. Really a shame, but like anything else, it's "buyer beware" - whoever is top bidder on this car is going to have to work hard to get this thing turned into an original car. Probably gets a shock if and when he tries to sell it -

Steve
500  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Another Tonawanda Z on: March 02, 2013, 11:05:45 PM
A challenge - by my count 28 separate incorrect details with this car, minor to major. groups to individual details. The laundry list is large - how many can exist on the same vehicle ? I love the statement 'got the car from a old buddy who told him it was a real Z'. At least the seller asks you to make your own determination or interpretation of originality - and it's already bid to $19K. I'm in the wrong business - I should be selling F1's for a living - but I couldn't get past the obvious.

As always, my own opinions -

Regards,
Steve
501  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Muncie question M20 and M21 on: March 01, 2013, 05:45:46 PM
Best reason to use the close ratio is to keep the rpm's up in the power band in between shifts, especially using a 4:10 and up rear, but they work well with the 3.73's ( that's what my '68 has as a combination, my '69 is a 4.10, l78 is a 4.10). To answer your other question, you can sneak up on an input and a cluster gear sometimes fairly priced, or you can buy a new set (Italian built, I believe) for a nice higher price. Add the cost of a rebuild kit ($150.00 or so), and you have a good freshened M21. 
502  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Muncie question M20 and M21 on: March 01, 2013, 10:09:10 AM
Gary,

Why not replace the input and cluster gear ? That's the only difference in the M20/21 - a lot cheaper than trying to track down another M21 (and one without a VIN like your case is -). Does it work (date-wise) for your car ?

Regards,
Steve
503  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 27, 2013, 11:44:16 PM
I don't doubt it.

Good thing both of my Z's have good ones. I'm using the repop plate on the 4346 build - it started as a center section only anyway, and visually it looks pretty good. I need to check out the part number cast on the throttle plate to see if it matches the Holley parts listing I have. You do have to look pretty darn close to see the differences -

Regards,
Steve
504  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 27, 2013, 08:58:24 PM
"3496" should equate to the 349th day of '86, M6 on the box is probably December '86. Stored in the house since purchase, taking up space in my office until I finally decided to make the swap -   
505  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 27, 2013, 08:52:55 PM
Found it -
506  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 27, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Gary,

I bought mine from Music City Rod Shop in Nashville sometime in the early to mid 80's - whenever I first saw them advertised by Holley as reproduction carbs. Strangest thing about it - carb was stamped 3923289 on the air horn, but did not have the DZ stamp. 4 digit date code (I'll see if I still have the pics when I sold it a few months back), but everything else, from the screws to the bowls, throttle linkage, choke plate and casting marks, is as you see it in the pics - dead on. The only differences were as I noted last night - throttle plate is slightly different, dashpot is straight. Everything else looks good (color is a little golden over the original greenish gold anodizing), plus the metering blocks are correct and marked for the 4346 L78 carb, which differs only in the vented fuel bowl that I can see. I'll check to see if I can find the date pics of the service carb.

Regards,
Steve
507  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 27, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Gary,

5583 and 4519 on all of them. Including the service carb. 4346 - 375 horse carb takes the same ones - that's why I parted it out.

Regards,
Steve
508  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 26, 2013, 10:35:28 PM
Last 2 -
509  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 26, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
Additional pics -
510  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: February 26, 2013, 10:31:29 PM
Gary,

Check some of these out. In comparing the 2-1/2 carbs I have, the only differences I see are the dashpot bib and some minute differences in the throttle plate casting. At least for the one repop that i bought, literally everything else on the carb, from the bowls to the screws to lettering, was right on to the point where it is virtually impossible to tell at a glance which is which, with the obvious differences in cleanliness and colors/coatings. The only skew to this may be the fact that I bought this 4053 clone in the 80's, when Holley first released the remakes - later production might have changed somewhat.
Incidentally, the screw heads on the repop were identical to the originals, and the bowls (all) have sight plugs in them. If you need additional details let me know and I'll show you whatever you need to look at. BTW - 1 is an April '68 (June '68 Z), and 1 is a December '68 (January '69 Z).

Regards,
Steve

Post Script: Was your Z ever in Tennessee ? I looked at an unrestored Cortez X33 years ago, offered to trade my LS5 '70 for it (he turned it down, wanted $16K for the car). Stupid of me -
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