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391  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 03, 2013, 08:24:13 AM
Gary,

   100% correct. The term "over restored" is "over used" but it does describe a lot of vehicles. I'm getting to the point where "NCCAT" means more - neat, clean, correct, all there. Add "driven".

   IMO -

Regards,
Steve
392  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 02, 2013, 09:25:37 PM
Al,

  Interesting string of observations you inspired. I'll say one thing - whoever restored the distributor, or whatever they did to it, did a pretty darn good job of whatever they did - it's pretty close in all the details, enough to lead you to believe it is genuine. The worst problem I see with it, outside of any of the details we have discussed, is it's just too darn nice and shiny for most people to believe it. Maybe the actual measurements will clue us to a proper decision about it's authenticity.

  As a result of this discussion, I don't think I'm going to do anything to my string of distributors (499,467, and 480's) other than a good cleaning and reassembly. I was considering sending them to Jerry, but now I'm worried about the end result of re-skinning being "too" good in appearance.

  Let us know what the thing measures at, and hopefully we're done with controversy.

Regards,
Steve
393  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 02, 2013, 05:49:54 PM
Two pics of my 499 and 467 unrestored distributors, showing the stepped diameter at the top. The lower picture is one of yours - you can see why I questioned the appearance of a "no step" by the pic - it looks completely smooth as compared to the last one you posted beacause of the cap being installed. By diameter of the body, and the presence of the step, I'd say it's that much closer to believeable. The last angle you show looks totally different than your first examples (even though they were great shots), due to the cap being removed.

Note one other thing - the date stamping font size is slightly smaller on both of mine as compared to the part number stamp - the "9" is different on the 499 in shape in addition to size. Just an observation, If you're wondering about the color of the stamping, it's White Out correction fluid, added for contrast. Both distributor housings had to be soaked to remove the accumulated crud of centuries and expose the numbers. Should have taken "before" pics as well -

Regards,
Steve
394  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 02, 2013, 12:22:48 PM
Is there a step at the top of all of your distributors ? If so, can you get a measurement on that diameter as well ?

Regards,
Steve
395  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 02, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
I measured both my 499 original and my 467 Z originals - both measure exactly the same at 3.816" O.D. at the numbers. I need to dig my 480 out and measure it as well - 2 samples are not really enough to be a definitive check. No reason to believe the hi po units are any different from low po in construction, other than internal parts.

The step at the top of both distributors for the distributor cap measures out at 3.794" +/- .001". It's difficult to measure closer due to the short height of the step.

At least one of the closeups suggests there is no step left at the top of your 499 - that's what now leads me to think it might be a restamp. If the step is there on yours, you need to measure it as well. I haven't seen an original that did not have the step. Turning the O.D. down .010 - .012 to remove the former roll stamping would remove most of the step from the top edge of any distributor. Considering how light some of the stampings are, .012 per side would get it all and then some.

Hope this helps -

Regards,
Steve

396  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: September 01, 2013, 10:18:22 PM
I do have a potential make-or-break answer for this - will post tomorrow. I might have to change my earlier estimate -

Regards,
Steve
397  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: September 01, 2013, 10:04:53 PM
George,

   Column looks great. Sticker looks perfect and in position. Shame it's not more in view when it's installed, but you have the satisfaction of knowing it's like it should be.

   Interesting choice of a holder for the column when you took the pics - exactly where I propped my column up (top of the radiator support), only my background was a '68 Z -

Regards,
Steve 
398  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Hemmings Muscle Machine of the Year on: September 01, 2013, 10:48:07 AM
Bruce,

    You got my vote. What's the color code ? Looks Burnished Brown in the Hemmings pic -

Regards,
Steve
399  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: August 31, 2013, 09:44:19 PM
One more point - look at the collar where the clamp fits - same bright finish, very fresh look. If someone turned the body down to restamp it, they must have turned this area as well, which is highly unlikely IMO. Pin in the gear does not appear to have been disturbed or driven out as well - the pins and gears are pretty soft, usually they mark up when you drive the pin out to disassemble the distributor. I'll post a pic of my 499 (cleaned, but unrestored) if anyone would like to compare appearance/fonts.

Regards,
Steve
400  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1111499 Distributor Question?? on: August 31, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
This one's hard to tell. I agree the finish is extremely bright, and looks very fresh - it could be a result of polishing after cleaning. Stamping is very deep, but the font is dead on if it's a restamp. The "4" and "9's" are correct to me as compared to my known original 499 and 497 distributors. Lathe markings are different, but I have seen these all over the map as far as spacing, depth and pattern - something you would expect out of production tooling that is frequently worn out and replaced/indexed to fresh cutting edges. Everything else appears to be what it should be, from the 355 dashpot to the point plate. It could be an overzealous/incorrect restoration (there are several that compete with Jerry, and complain about his refinishing methods as not being correct, too). Take a pair of calipers and measure the O.D. of the body at the stamping, and also measure the O.D. at the cap mounting step - you can compare that to other distributors. If it's considerably less than other examples, then you have a case for a cutdown/restamp. All I am stating is keep an open mind until you can prove it - don't be too quick to condemn it. 
401  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 27, 2013, 09:07:27 PM
I replaced my turn signal switch in this column many years ago (due to a broken base for the turn signal arm), but I saved the original, which is date coded both on the connector like yours, and on the switch plate itself. I haven't gotten around to the coupler yet (still on the box), but I'm sure it's coded as well - thanks for the heads up.

Hans L - thanks again for your great work. Things like this always give me a large dose of enthusiasm to get back to work on my projects. I appreciate the boost.

Anyone have a broadcast copy with the tilt column code ? Mine are all Norwood non-tilt cars, no broadcast copies evident.

Regards,
Steve
402  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 27, 2013, 07:51:35 AM
James,

   If there was, the surface has eroded to the point where I can't see any traces of it - if anyone has a better surviving tag please post a pic of it. Considering the dimensional aspects, I'm pretty sure it was added at the same time as the part number tag was applied - they are exactly the same size and configuration, just different colors. The surfaces of these tags are pretty fragile - I'm surprised the colors and printing have lasted this long. Must be this good Tennessee atmosphere -

Regards,
Steve
403  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 26, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
Hans,

I mentioned this before, but I thought I had better post this so you can complete your restoration of the column tag(s) - there is a green tag, same overall length and width, just above the firewall boot and below the backup switch as pictured. No printing of any kind visible on the surface, only a bright Rally Green colored tag as shown in the attached pics. Obviously an assembly reference tag of some sort - probably to give a reference to boot placement or column installation position ? You might as well get it completely right when you've gone this far with details. Incidentally, this column has been out of the car since it was disassembled and stored in 1980 -

Regards,
Steve
404  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 25, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
TK would have been the letter code in the steering column box on the build sheet.
I believe it was Box 61 on the BBC.
Oh, and nice work there Hans!

Amen. I believe you should do this as a secondary income producer - dead nuts pefect in my opinion.

Regards,
Steve

405  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Rally Sport Fenders Correct? on: August 25, 2013, 04:09:07 PM
Rally Sports - the tabs match the pic in the link by Paul -

Regards,
Steve
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