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361  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 24, 2014, 12:17:18 AM
By the way, in pic 1164, is that a spring that was used as a spacer between the inner and outer panel ? Rusted pretty bad, but I think that's what I see. What a disaster -

362  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 24, 2014, 12:02:46 AM
I showed the pics to a very good friend of mine that completely rebodied a '67 vert over the last couple of years, mostly because he couldn't bring himself to crush it. It was an original 6 cylinder car, if I remember, and he ended up replacing nearly every piece of metal on the car with the exception of the cowl panel and firewall (trim tag, hidden VIN area, door plate area) that represented the originality of the car. What an absolute hell he put himself through, for the sake of saving a Camaro.

His first advice to you - junk it. He corrected himself a little, mainly because of the project status you mentioned with your son; he also said having done this once, he would never do it again under any circumstances.

The upside - the '67 is really shaping up into a killer modified car, I can't wait to see the painted car. Small block, runs fabulous, shows what dedication does in the face of finding your car in worse shape than you imagined. Good luck in your future build - keep us updated on your progress (or your decision).

363  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 1969 2-piece Rotor to Hub Bolt Torque on: January 21, 2014, 09:27:25 PM
Thanks 1968RSZ28 for the link- From that information, it looks like unless these mated hubs/rotors were index marked prior to disassembly, they could be out of balance when assembled again.  Starting to look like more time and trouble than these things are worth. LOL

You know, it's really not that much different than late-model rotors - only they aren't bolted together, they float on the hubs in most cases. True, they are balanced individually, but when you install a new set of rotors, aren't you really seeing the same chance for imbalance with them changing the balance point of the original set ?

364  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 21, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Be careful what you wish for - this might be the work of the 17 year old Russian hacker that ebombed Target - I heard he really likes '67 and '68 Camaros.
365  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Little Pissed of the Coverage on Barrett Jackson on: January 18, 2014, 11:20:23 PM
Was it the first Z/28?( The pearl white one that Jay leno test drove?)

what is the best way to see the results or what a car bid up to?

Go to B-J's internet site - you can search the auctions by day or type, click on the lot number and pull up the results and the description. It is easy and cool to be able to see them all -

Try this :
366  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Upcoming shows and swap meets in Nashville? on: January 18, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
Stones River is the better of the two.  It is just a swap meet.  I will be set up at this one.  If you decide to go to this one feel free to stop by and look or buy some of my junk; and that goes for everyone.  Ill be at the corner were the large canvas tunnel is located.  See map.  There will be a couple others at this one as well.  Last year was a little weaker than ones in the past but all 4 buildings will have parts and then there will be outside spots as well.  This is a one day only.  Sunday.

Best get on your horse early, Gary - gates open at 6:30 Sunday the 2nd., ends at 3:00 (everybody scrams to watch the SB).

No truth to an entry surcharge for attendees from south of the state line -

Regards (see you there),
367  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Factory records on: January 18, 2014, 10:48:02 PM
don't get too excited as the mrs worked at the dealership and most all dealer dumped all paperwork after 10 years because it cost too much to keep it in storage.

True. I got my docs from the State (dealer invoice, MSO, title copies) before the Fed kicked in the Privacy Act on both Z's. I went to the local dealer in the late 70's to see if they had any copies of anything; that was the answer I got (they trashed the records). That drove me to the State DOT, which had everything (only now they do the same response - no labor to research the microfiche records, and then they redact the owner info even on late model stuff). Documenting early stuff is now almost impossible, so I really welcome the chance to find anything left I haven't already ratholed. NCRS, hurry up -

Regards -
368  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Little Pissed of the Coverage on Barrett Jackson on: January 18, 2014, 10:38:45 PM
I agree...They have cut to commercial on the majority of Camaros starting with Friday's coverage

If you've noticed, the preferred coverage has been Ford for the last couple of years, as they are sponsored by Ford, or have been. I think the Fox network is to blame for some of it, and I hated the fact you can't see the auction total running in the top left corner of the screen (whereas it's clear as day on NG).

Fox apparently has missed the fact all week that a lot of people watch B-J, and hopefully those watching feel the same way we do about coverage, or lack of it. They can stick it. I waited for a couple of hours to get to Old Reliable, only to see it get skipped. Makes me wanna watch C-Span.

Regards -
369  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: factory 302 emblem on 1969 Z-28 on: January 16, 2014, 11:52:47 PM
I imagine a lot of people on new installations use barrel nuts instead of how they were meant to be installed - speed nuts with integral sealant. What a pain it was to locate the holes properly (I did mine in 1974; no aftermarket templates, then). Had to get really inventive to reach through the hood holes to reach the studs -

BTW, the hood was $83.00, the emblems were $3.00 and change apiece. Drove the car hoodless to the dealer, pulled the hood out of the box, bolted it to the hinges and attached the latch, closed it and drove home. Amazing what you'll do to look good in your Z (the car needed less help with that than me-). Guys in the parts department good a good laugh out of that one, and so did I.

370  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: January 16, 2014, 11:33:46 PM
I have the original POP on my car that shows the original owner and selling dealership.  Will this information from NCRS provide anything that I don't already have?  The build sheet is what I'm after to see what options my car was born with.

I don't think so - you're already way ahead of the curve (and a lot of us) with the P-O-P. Better documentation doesn't happen - You might consider putting that $50.00 fee on parts or supplies -

371  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: January 16, 2014, 11:23:46 PM
Tantalizing, to be sure. If the NCRS can pry this out of GM Heritage, it makes you wonder what GM is still has up the corporate sleeve and keeping from us (take the Pontiac records disclosure as an example)? Sure, they are a private company; sure, they are probably worried about legal ramifications, but why not help us out big time and kick the fraud out of the hobby ?

Wishful thinking, only. I definitely welcome the chance to find out some additional info on a couple of my "investments".

Regards -
372  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z/28 Leaf Springs on: January 16, 2014, 12:47:20 AM
I'd have 'em shotpeened. It will restore strength to the steel, plus it will take stress and stress risers out of the leafs (helps keep them from cracking). Most spring shops usually do this as part of the re-arching process, it will produce a "mill" finish unlike sandblasting or bead blasting. If you do this, the spring will have to be disassembled, so you can take the time to replace the pads and keepers. If you're just refinishing, sandblasting with aluminum oxide works pretty good, removes crud but is not nearly as fast cutting (and deep cutting) as silicon nitride, black beauty, slag or silica sand. Doesn't rough the surface excessively.

You can always bead or plastic media, and paint. We had a pretty lengthy discussion on spring rebuilding a while back - I'll dig it up when I get the time (unless someone beats me to it).

373  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Time Machine on: January 16, 2014, 12:27:51 AM
Hard to tell but the blue car in the pic but does it have stripes?
I also see a 67 or 8 on the lot pic.  Must have been the trade-ins on the front row cause its sitting next to a Galaxie.

It's Lemans with white panels. Can't tell if it's a spoiler equipped or not: definitely flat hood. The orange and white has a rear spoiler, I think the green one to left has a spoiler, can't tell if the blue 'vert in the foreground has one or not. 4 Camaros in the pic, the white one to the left may make it 5 -

Used lot was in the front left corner (I remember the OK signs to this day), trucks are in the near corner. Reed owned the whole block at one time between Church and Broad - really a shame that Chevy gave 'em the ax after all those years.

374  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Time Machine on: January 14, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
Speaking of time machines - if your imagination still works, you always have one at your disposal.

A while back, we lost a very long term Chevrolet dealer in Nashville, the very one my car came from in February 1969 (28th).
My parents bought their first new car from there, a '57 Bel Air 4 dr. hardtop, which I grew up in. Other cars we bought from there - '65 Impala SS, '65 Corvair Corsa (i learned to drive in that one), '68 Impala Custom Coupe, '72 Impala, and finally my wife's '85 Z28.

Point being, a good friend of ours (who worked for the dealership) found some keepers before they closed - I tried to take as good a pic of them as I could - hopefully you can make out the 3 or 4 Camaros and the Chevelle sitting on the showroom floor. The Lemans Blue '69 Z in the back could be mine - and I wish I could go back to prove it.

Thanks, Sport !

375  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 10:25:23 PM
Another 2 cents -

I hit the big 6-0 this past year - and still proud of the fact I've never grown out of my love for F1's, and Chevrolets in general. I like what Ford did to the Mustangs until this model year; I've finally grown to like the new Camaros (I would really like to own a  new Z), and I think Chrysler did a good job with the Challenger. All that said, drive a new one and an F1 side by side down the street, and see which one gets the attention. Put 'em in a car show the same way, and see which gets looked at first. I have thought from time to time that if you put an equivalent F1 and new one for sale at the same price in a lot, I would probably buy the F1 (with the new Z's coming out, I don't know if I can hold that line much longer).

I believe I saw the '67 that started this discussion at the local Franklin show when it was still held at Pinkerton Park, years ago - probably still have pics of it. It is a sterling car, if it's the same one I've drooled over before. $145K ? Rare, documented (?), and well done, might be to the person that really wants a 1st quality Pacer. 


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