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241  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trim Vinyl top ? on: March 18, 2014, 09:54:54 PM
Your speaker holes are gigantic.

 lol.. I know thats what happens when 16 year old kid puts new speakers in. There are to many things to count that I've done to this poor car over the years I wish I could take back. Sad

I sure know where your coming from. I got my car in 76 and was 19 at the time. I'm still kicking myself in the butt for some of the things I did. At one point I was going to install a T-Top. Boy I'm glad that never happened.

Precisely what I envisoned in '78. I was selling Porta Band Saws to the custom shops around here that were installing Hurst T-Tops, and it got pretty close to happening. Nearly to the custom stage, I thought about it long enough to recognize originality was probably better. Reading Super Chevy and attending Super Chevy shows starting in the mid-80's cinched the deal. Started spending on NOS parts in 1980 instead of aftermarket -

242  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Finally! A Camaro that makes mine look good! on: March 18, 2014, 09:42:42 PM
Marry it with this one in the local CL for $20K firm, and you might have the start of a recognizeable car - hilarious.
243  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Finally! A Camaro that makes mine look good! on: March 18, 2014, 09:35:57 PM
Tach looks good - wonder if the 12 bolt is still under it ?

Makes my barn car look show worthy -

244  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: The CRG in Hemmings Motor News on: March 16, 2014, 10:36:16 PM
According to some, the "G" is one of two in Hugger Orange -

My bad -
245  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 Z engine parts on: March 16, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
"He said he uses a new tap on every job and said if it gets too hot while tapping, it can crack the bosses".

Admirable, but before I would start the tap, I would make sure the starting hole size is correct for the thread limits. Too small of a starting hole size can put too much pressure on a thin walled part or feature, which could cause cracking (or usually tap breakage). Force it, and somethings got to give. Should be using a bottoming style/blind hole tap as well - a plug will tend to torque into the part, another accident waiting to happen.

Tap speed is actually pretty low in surface feet/minute - if the hole size is right, and you use Tap Eze or a tapping lubricant of any type, cutting zone temperature are cool to the touch. Heat should come out with the chip -   

246  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: when we can no longer wrench... :) on: March 15, 2014, 09:30:30 AM
There's a point here - I may be 60, but I feel a lot younger when I'm working on my cars - therapy - always have. But it's a fact of life in two directions; Aging is inevitable, and the average age of First Gen car owners is moving along with our age bracket. A lot of us acquired our Camaros years ago, when they were affordable, and working on your vehicle was a lot easier in terms of actually being able to with common hand tools and a piece of cardboard to lay on. I wouldn't envy an enthusiast trying to get into a Camaro restoration nowadays - it's ferociously expensive compared to what it was. My X77 was $1600.00 when I bought it in '73, the Pace Car was not too bad in '94, the L78 was downright cheap in '96 compared to what it's worth today. I sold my LS5 to afford my '68, so all in all it was not bad either. To replicate what I own in this day and time would be out of reach for me, and probably for a lot of people (otherwise everybody would have one in the garage).

Just my opinion -

247  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: when we can no longer wrench... :) on: March 14, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
60 here as well. Funny picture -

I've noticed I can't do as much as when I was younger, plus the fact the First Gen Corps (don't pronounce that as "corpse) are getting older by the day. Problem is what you grow up with - they just don't make 'em (and us) like they used to -

248  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CRG etiquette concerning parts on E Bay on: March 14, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
The only reason he sold you that was I told him you were going to paint your car Orange... Cheesy

I had a Carousel Red 69 GTO Judge for a while in the 90's. Same as H.O. and I just had enough of that color. I think 'Cortez Silver' is way better than any other color....  Roll Eyes

Finally - a man of reason concerning color (just kidding for all of you thousands of Hugger Orange fanatics).

Ditto on the seal extensions - glad you had the offer on the one; repros are pretty decent for the extension and the seal flanges.

249  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 Z engine parts on: March 13, 2014, 11:37:19 PM
In regards to your suggestion of the Clevite 77's.  Are they that much better than the Sealed Power? 

I've used Clevite since my first build (Power Pack 283, '57 Bel Air) at age 16. I used them in my 302 during a rebuild in '75 - used 12.5:1 Manley pistons; at 30K miles the bearings still look pretty darn good. Machine shop warned the high compression ratio would pound the bearings out on the street, but they were incorrect. Can't argue too much with that kind of success.

Cracked stud bosses remind me of poor removal techniques - probably used a 3 pound Ford wrench to try to free them up before they attempted to pull them. Even good shops can hire lousy people -

250  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 Z engine parts on: March 13, 2014, 09:08:14 PM
Clevite/Michigan 77 and ductile rings. Chrome moly rings are great for long life, but are twitchy to seat sometimes. People swear by them, but I've never had a problem with seating ductile rings in the initial startup. Proper honing techniques are all you need.

Cut your own ring gaps to factory specs - I wouldn't trust pre-gapped. Be sure and chamfer the ends slightly to keep from scratching the bores (I assume you are assembling the long block yourself), but don't go overboard.

Bummer about the studs pulling out. Did you pin 'em, use oversize (.002) studs, or drill/tap for threaded studs ? I'm not sure if GM still sells the oversize studs, but you could probably find them aftermarket. At least they'll be closest to originals in appearance if you haven't assembled the heads.


251  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Is this tag real or fake? on: March 13, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
Tag shows it as a X33, probably right about the valve covers, if that carb stud gets any longer its going to go through the hood.

My bad - I should have moused that into view.
252  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Is this tag real or fake? on: March 13, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
I was surprised to see the woodgrain dash on an X77 car, without Style Trim. Always though that was a no-no.

Valve covers could have used a trip to Jerry's to remove the polish. Bet they're drippers - OTC part numbers, too.

TT is possibly fake - definitely been struck hard to seat the rivets. Maybe removed for restoration ?

253  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Now this is a REAL barn find on: March 12, 2014, 10:50:54 PM
Here's my version. Car is preparing to go from barn to garage, if I can figure out how to stuff 4 in a three car space. I thought about stacking them like my local Camaro junkyard has done - only I don't have a forklift like he does.

I'm prepared for the "shame on you" remarks. Please don't depress me any more than looking at these pics does already. Any small mammal enthusiasts can get a real thrill reading tracks on the windshield as well - combination of cat and 'coon. True "rat" motored car.

No, it's not a Hugger Orange Z, it's a Cortez L78 disguised as HO, plus a little Daytona thrown in for effect. On a serious note, look at the original paint/firewall line blurb right above the heater box. Black cove paint can still be seen in the trunk area.

Those are trumpet vine remnants with some blackberry canes growing inside the barn, or were. Mud dauber nest the size of a grapefruit attached to the taillight for additional camouflage.

254  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Cool old 69 Z/28 commercial on: March 12, 2014, 07:41:45 PM
OMG please remove this before Gary sees it - we'll never hear the end of it !

Joking -

255  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 124379N641261 documentation on: March 07, 2014, 08:59:53 AM

Thanks for the reply. I sent a PM to both Kurt and Ed last night to try and track down the current owner. Also posted on the forum on - hopefully the owner will see it. This kind of documentation is tough to come by these days -

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