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151  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Trunk Lid Identification on: June 29, 2014, 11:05:54 PM
My late great NOS lid - whoever has it got a good one.

I will try to add a pic of my Nov. '69 L78 lid tomorrow, which might give an earlier window. I also can look at my 03C Pace Car, and the 01C X77 to see if there is a two-design lid here.

Regards -
152  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Green tip dipstick on: June 27, 2014, 08:19:22 AM

 came in the box with my 1969 dated NOS 302 pan.

Regards -
Not intending to HiJack, but I have never seen or heard of a dated oil pan? Where would date be located?

If you'd like to split hairs, we determined it was not a '68 pan, but an NOS pan for a '69 302. Maybe I should have worded it a little differently, but it is what it is. When I get back home, I'll be glad to look up the thread and the part number again and post it.

Regards -
153  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Green tip dipstick on: June 27, 2014, 08:08:13 AM
Instruction sheet, box and the old part number that was superseded in the early 70's. Part number only showed for a couple of years if I remember correctly. I'd have to go back and look to see, but I think the instruction sheet is dated 1968, the stick was a '68 number, too. I think we determined it may have been a generic stick at the time if the first thread.
154  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Green tip dipstick on: June 26, 2014, 10:38:18 PM
A couple of pics - flat tip original is on the bottom in one pic, "GM 6041" is the other.

The other sticks are NOS earlier ones, including the grey tip that came in the box with my 1969 dated NOS 302 pan.

Regards -
155  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Green tip dipstick on: June 26, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
I was one of the respondents on the original thread's poll - 01C Z with the flat tip, marked "use GM 6041".

The only two green tips listed in the poll were November 68 cars - interesting. Maybe the line ran short that month and used a secondary vendor or supply ? Possible, but I think all were marked with the "Use GM 6041" stamp on the stick -

156  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Are these numbers good .. 69 Z ? on: June 22, 2014, 10:52:19 PM
The 'location' of the stamps wrt the head are a bit different than I'm used to seeing..  Perhaps JohnZ, William, or Kurt can comment on the gang stamp and if they can get this close to the head with the head installed??   Usually the stamps are more near the front edge of the deck than these...

Getting the casting dates, and all other info would be helpful in making an originality determination...
I thought the same thing Gary.

X3. You just couldn't get the holder that close to the head while installed on the engine, even at an angle.

What's up with the deck surface, too - looks like it's been shot blasted, or needle scaled ? Rough as a cob.
157  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: A.I.R Smog Diverter valve on: June 22, 2014, 10:47:36 PM
Last I knew, Don was rebuilding the valves and selling them to Bill.

Might explain why prices escalated sharply after Don moved on. He had priced things affordably, great quality, good work and attention to detail. Whatever the blow up was, it sure changed things. My guess is the same as your statement - he didn't turn loose of everything (he was one of the first or the first to offer the white fans for pumps, which are still around through a lot of vendors). Systems were complete right down to hoses, bolts and gaskets, dated/part numbered for around $895.00 originally, if I remember correctly (been a few years !).

Regards - 
158  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Bumper Finish on: June 22, 2014, 10:33:32 PM
Use something to neutralize the rust and just spray it with chrome spray paint to protect it.

Do just that, or bead it and paint with either chrome or flat silver. Looks better than rust any day of the week.

I actually did that on my rear guards after re-chrome just to protect them better. Most chrome shops don't finish the backside (unless you are paying for it with a higher price).

Regards -
159  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fake or real DZ stamp and partial Vin ? on: June 17, 2014, 10:39:30 PM
My understanding is that GM's broaching machines weigh many tons... I doubt these 'replicators' have that sort of machine available to them, and if they did.. my question would be..  how much material do they 'broach' off to remove all traces of the original stamping, machining, etc..?   I suspect they might fool *some people* with their approach...  but not all.. Smiley

Excello LaPointe rack broaches are huge - individual racks, made up of many broach segments, can weigh thousands of pounds and stand 10-12 feet in length (and more). Machine bases and hydraulics are enormous. You're right - most of these guys that do this mill the blocks, and then work the surface to approximate broach marks (which you can usually spot right off).

The "real deal" pic above does show the result of milling - the curved lines you see are the result of the feed rate of the milling machine, and the ridge left by the insert radius on each circular revolution of the cutter. Whoever milled this one knew what they were doing - the mill lifted when it got to the stamping, a very light cut just to square the surface and clean it up. I'd bet the owner was relieved to see that -
160  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it Worth..? on: June 17, 2014, 10:23:14 PM
I'll take a shot -

Really does remind me of my Z by description, a lot of similarities. Documentation and born with engine are a plus, car should bring about $25-30K or a bit more unrestored, but that's just my opinion. Non-original drivetrain would drive the price down to $15-25K depending on condition and further documentation, but since you've got what you have, I think the price is fair. I haven't seen it, so it really is a guess based on looking at a lot of cars for sale.

I've seen prices on restored versions go from $40-55/60K for exceptional cars - I'm sure you can find cars outside of this range in both directions, like the linked Corvette Bronze original in the thread (which is a right nice piece to be sure).

Beauty and value are always in the eye of the beholder (or enthusiast).

161  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp on: June 16, 2014, 11:30:35 PM
Difficult to tell for sure - stamping appears correct, but the block surface looks a little weird. No real obvious evidence of broaching lines - surface almost looks shot peened, or blasted, but it could be O.K. I don't think the Van Nuys VIN stampings ever made it to the block side as did Norwood's above-the-filter stampings, so at least that matches.

Without a larger view of the deck surface, it would be difficult to pronounce a verdict one way or the other. At least no decking lines visible -

162  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: A.I.R Smog Diverter valve on: June 16, 2014, 11:16:08 PM
Not many in this business since ASL went out, Don was really good and reasonable. I still like to look through his old catalog - 

Contact Bill Hodel @ 330-833-0871. This maybe the guy that Don sold his business/inventory to, still advertises in Hemmings.

Greenhoe's Corvette lists parts, but I don't know if he rebuilds or offers that as a service or not. Worth a shot -

163  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaros at AACA Grand Nationals Last Friday on: June 15, 2014, 10:12:13 PM
Are you kidding me!!  I didnt even know it was in town!!!  Im mad I missed it..

Did anyone post on here about it before hand?

I thought you, Satch and Billy probably went to Bowling Green - otherwise I would have called you when I didn't see you there. Show kinda slid in and slid out -
164  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaros at AACA Grand Nationals Last Friday on: June 15, 2014, 03:43:43 PM
Good show, better weather on Saturday, but the worst in lack of advertising locally. 7 miles from my house, and I found out about it Thursday.

I can't blame this on the AACA, but I was amazed this size of show could sneak in here without at least some warning or propaganda.

Regards -
165  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28 X33 fire damaged on: June 15, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Go on line and download Light Image Resizer - you can then re size to any that you need to transmit (600 X 480 works), and/or simply save the image as a .jpg file, which will downsize most image files (tif's, etc) to a much smaller format. I had the same problem with my iPhone pics, the resolution of the camera is tremendous, which causes a very large file content (usually greater than an MB).

Works for me -

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