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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 SS barn find on: December 16, 2014, 04:58:04 AM
That is a great looking car, really like the color!
32  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 9Nxxx007, 69 DZ 302 shortblock on: December 16, 2014, 04:53:15 AM
Why the secrecy on the entire partial VIN, if you'd require proof of car's identity before selling the block, and then make the throw-away comment that you'd junk it if the current owner doesn't appear?
If the original car is long gone, as the owner of another Z you must realise that block still has solid value to the right buyer as NOM but date and suffix-correct, that is of course if it's as described.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 15, 2014, 09:19:37 PM
Thank you Sir!
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 15, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
Thanks Darrell!
Just one thing, could you merge columns F and G to read 'oil pan flange stamp' or whatever makes sense to members please? Some (maybe all?) CE blocks have an assembly date stamped down there on the gasket surface.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 15, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
PS anyone with HTML skills who knows how to format a table and would like to help, please do so; post displays very differently between editing and when displayed on screen.......
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 15, 2014, 02:40:43 AM
Updated:
BB/SB   Block Casting   Casting Date   Pad Stamp   Oil Pan Flange Stamp   Note(s)
Cast 1967
BB                      3916323        F 6 7      CE850140       T087
BB                      3916323         F 6 7         CE850154           T087
BB                      3916323        J 8 7      CE853643       T0107
================================================================================
Cast 1968
SB                      3914678        D 16 8      CE922528
SB                      3959512        J 10 8      CE089910
SB                      3932386         J 22 8          CE936524
SB                      3959512        K 29 8      CE946309
================================================================================
Cast 1969
SB                      3956618        A 9 9      CE9A24288
SB                      3956618        A 30 9      CE9A32634
SB                      3970010        E 12 9      CE9A98666
BB                      3969854        F 11 9      CE973962
BB                      3969854        H 30 9      CE070400          T099                  Also first stamped T0916KE
SB                      3970010        I 18 9       CE9B44296                                  warranty repl. for  V0725HX orig eng.
BB                      3969854        J 14 9      CE075672
SB                      3970010        L 8 9      C15408U                         (anomoly; possibly non-factory stamp?)
================================================================================
Cast 1970
SB                      3970010        C 28 0      CE0A48264
SB                      3970010        E 23 0      CE0B00122
SB                      3970010        I 2 0        CE1A94176
SB                      3970010        L 29 0      CEA129749                    (no typo, A before 1, photo available)
================================================================================
Cast 1972
SB                      3970010        A 10 2      CE221365
BB                      3999289         F 21 72      CE264155
BB                      3999290        J 23 72      CE361351
================================================================================
Cast 1974
SB                      3970010        B 12 4        CE3A97396                    (cast 74 but stamped for 73 MY?)
SB                      3970010        F 20 4      CE431334

Table formatting is a bit misaligned, but other members please feel free to add your data to it, by hitting 'quote' and then inserting in the appropriate date order. Thanks!
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Bracket on Driver's Side Trunk Floor on: December 14, 2014, 03:51:42 PM
Thanks William, I guess it was a 69 only bracket then? Another member here very kindly sent me some photos of his bracket and it is in the exact same location, but the remains of mine appear to be welded to the trunk floor in a slightly different manner; was there more than one design of this bracket?
Interesting that the reproduction 1969 full trunk floors don't include this, and lots of restored cars I've looked at don't either - maybe because they have the repro floors??
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 14, 2014, 06:16:54 AM
Bryon, here's some data that I've been collecting, it's still very much a work in progress which I will add to.

BB/SB   Block Casting   Casting Date   Pad Stamp   Oil Pan Flange Stamp   Note(s)
Cast 1967
BB                      3916323        F 6 7      CE850140       T087
BB                      3916323        J 8 7      CE853643       T0107
================================================================================
Cast 1968
SB                      3914678        D 16 8      CE922528
SB                      3959512        J 10 8      CE089910
SB                      3959512        K 29 8      CE946309
================================================================================
Cast 1969
SB                      3956618        A 9 9      CE9A24288
SB                      3956618        A 30 9      CE9A32634
SB                      3970010        E 12 9      CE9A98666
BB                      3969854        F 11 9      CE973962
BB                      3969854        H 30 9      CE070400          T099                  Also first stamped T0916KE
BB                      3969854        J 14 9      CE075672
SB                      3970010        L 8 9      C15408U                         (anomoly; possibly non-factory stamp?)
================================================================================
Cast 1970
SB                      3970010        C 28 0      CE0A48264
SB                      3970010        E 23 0      CE0B00122
SB                      3970010        I 2 0      CE1A94176
SB                      3970010        L 29 0      CEA129749                    (no typo, A before 1, photo available)
================================================================================
Cast 1972
SB                      3970010        A 10 2      CE221365
BB                      3999290        J 23 72      CE361351
================================================================================
Cast 1974
SB                      3970010        F 20 4      CE431334

Table formatting is a bit misaligned, but other members please feel free to add your data to it, by hitting 'quote' and then inserting in the appropriate date order. Thanks!
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Bracket on Driver's Side Trunk Floor on: December 14, 2014, 01:47:51 AM
When I started tidying up the trunk floor area of my ex-drag car, I came across a bracket (or remains of) attached to the driver's side of the trunk floor, just forward of the body plug hole - pictured below. It looks as though it was one piece at some point, and was then cut to leave the two sections connected to the floor pan. It doesn't look factory to me, and I haven't seen another one either in the AIM or in pictures of other similarly-optioned cars. But before I cut it off, thought it best to make sure that nobody here recognises it as something I've overlooked.......
If it does seem likely the original owner (and racer) of the car did add it, any idea what it could've been for  Huh

40  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: CRG Decoder Program on: December 12, 2014, 03:57:49 AM
Thanks Bryon
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Craiglist ad 18 1st gen Camaros on: December 10, 2014, 03:03:10 PM


42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Craigslist camaro on: December 10, 2014, 06:41:56 AM
Someone got a bargain there.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 03:47:11 PM
Thanks Bryon.
I realise that the CE blocks were used across all models, not just Camaros or even passenger cars. Based on the stamp number of the 512 block I posted a pic of above, by early December 1968, almost all of the 30,000 sequential numbers assigned to Flint V8 had been used. So it seems likely that the theory that the numbers were rest back to 20000 with the addition of an 'A' prefix (CE9A), then on to 'B' (CE9B) when that run of 30,000 was used up, is a valid one. But that's a lot of warranty replacements.......
I'm not at all interested in the value question of having a CE 302 in my car, it lost the original DZ so it'll never be a numbers car. But I'm curious about whatever documentation is referred to, and how anyone with a CE could determine if it was the one the dealer fitted to their car.

Bryon are you interested in compiling data on these blocks from members contributing their dates and stampings like Charlie did?
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 06:20:29 AM
Such a confusing subject; I found THIS thread over at TC, in which a different John ('Vintage 68') stated that CE long blocks were available under Warranty:
Quote
CE units were supplied in three (3) levels;
1.) "Assembly" = what we would normally term a 'Long-Block'. (less; I & E manifolds, flywheels/flexplate, distributor, carb., oil filter assemblies, fuel pump, pulleys or fan, starter, bracket assemblies & etc...) - needed District approval to order. These 'assemblies' were normally available only for standard performance claim work - Special HP engines under warranty required Zone approval and were usually* serviced with only 'partial' and 'fitted' parts.
2.) "Partial" = what we would call a 'Short-Block'. (included; block, crank, rods, pistons, cam & timing assembly) - needed Zone approval.
3.) "Fitted" = a block casting with fitted pistons, rings and a matched bearing set. needed Zone approval.
He also wrote in the same reply that:
Quote
Warranty Service parts were ordered AFTER the need arrose - not 'Stocked' or Warehoused beforehand.
Dealers entered warranty service parts requests for CE or CT needs through the Zone Representative for their area and they were shipped direct from supply plant to the dealer.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 04:31:21 AM
John's info that they were not held in inventory is a surprise to me.
Yes, that's what I had thought based on this reply:
"When the liability for replacement of 5/50 warranty engines expired in 1975, I'm sure there were a lot of "CE" short blocks in inventory, and those went into the parts system as out-of-warranty and over-the-counter short blocks."
From http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1635.0;all
Maybe things had changed by 1975 and GM maintained a stock of them?
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