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106  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 06, 2014, 08:13:56 PM
I'm sure I recall seeing a post (either here or at TC) that suggested it was possible to have a block dated earlier than the car it was fitted to, hence my question on whether blocks were set aside for service replacements, or machined, fitted with rotating assembly (if required) and stamped on demand.
Found that thread - http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=213236
It was actually Kurt who wrote the reply (#4) that I remembered:
"Any 69-74 SB with CE on the pad could have gone into the car. It could be dated before the car.... "
So surely that means that at least some blocks were held in inventory before machining and stamping?
107  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 06, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
Thanks guys.
Bryon, I'm curious because in several discussions on CE blocks, well-respected members and contributors here and elsewhere have stated that the next best thing to a car's original block is a CE block with documentation, then descending in order from a NOM but correct casting, suffix and date coded block, all the way down to a crate engine as the least preferred.
Therefore I am curious as to what original warranty replacement documentation was provided to the owner by the dealer, and if that documentation did not include the CE stamp number from the pad, how would one go about proving that a car still has the block that GM replaced under warranty?

I'm sure I recall seeing a post (either here or at TC) that suggested it was possible to have a block dated earlier than the car it was fitted to, hence my question on whether blocks were set aside for service replacements, or machined, fitted with rotating assembly (if required) and stamped on demand.
108  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 06, 2014, 03:15:17 PM
Thanks John!
So there is no way a CE block could be cast before the build date of the car it was fitted to?
Just to clarify, in point 2 above, I didn't mean would the dealer stamp the pad, but would the dealer record the pad stamp number by writing it on the warranty paperwork?
I understand that there was little margin (if any) for the dealer here, in fact recently followed a thread (link HERE) questioning if the service blocks were even painted by the dealer. Several guys who were involved in the day said not unless the parts dept supplied the paint, but some mechanics would give them a quick paint job if there was some paint left over in the clean-up area.
109  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: A Very Rusty Proposition on: December 05, 2014, 11:14:42 PM
All comments are apreciated
Is this your car, or are you considering taking it on?
110  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: "Cement" used at rear shock mounts?? on: December 05, 2014, 11:09:12 PM
UPC 0 lists out all the sealants and cements used, and sheet D6 calls 60a up as part 3765159, cement plastic seam, seal shock absorber opening in u/body.
Can't say what it was actually made of, but on my car it is somewhat like the sealant that was around the rear bumper brackets. 4.5 inches would probably be the length of sealant bead (of a given width) required to do both bracket locations.
111  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 05, 2014, 05:09:49 AM
I have been researching CE blocks (mainly small blocks) for some time now, and have a couple of questions that hopefully Kurt and/or the other CRG researchers can help with:
1. Does CRG have any examples of warranty documentation for a service replacement engine being installed in a 67-69 Camaro, and if so, are there any known examples of the block casting date preceding the build date of the car? (and if so, curious as to how much earlier?)
2. Did the dealer always issue paperwork for the replacement engine recording the new pad stamp number?
3. What was the process for supply and demand of service engines? i.e. were CE blocks produced by the engine assembly plants on demand from the dealership (assuming the zone rep authorised it), or were they machined, assembled (long, short or bare) and stamped 'CE' alongside regular production engines and set aside until required?

From the serial numbers allocated to Flint and Tonawanda for service engines, seems that would've been an excessive number of blocks/fitted engines etc to store and maintain somewhere, but then it would've taken time for the dealer to order the replacement, for the engine plant to machine, assemble and ship the part across the country, then for the dealer to fit it, all while the loyal customer was without their car.....
112  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Baldwin Motion VIN numbers? Or others, Yenko etc? on: December 03, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
Doesn't include BM cars, but if you go to http://www.yenko.net and scroll down to bottom left hand side, there's a link to all the known Yenko/COPO VINs. You can also access the supercar registry via http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/forums/58/1/supercar-registry
Not sure if there is any BM registry somewhere, seem to recall reading that Joel Rosen offers a verification service to determine if a car is one of theirs, probably because they did not maintain full records of all the cars they upgraded.
113  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / CRG Decoder Program on: December 02, 2014, 05:02:37 AM
Question for the CRG core members:
Is the email address listed on the public decoder program (the request to email the decoded txt file to 'CamaroDan@juno.com') still active?
114  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: VE3 bumper on: December 02, 2014, 02:19:17 AM
The only car that I've seen with all the original VE3 jack equipment still present had the load rest hook attached to the jack mast, as per the standard bumper jack mounting. A sample size of one is no basis for an assumption, but I can't imagine where the load rest hook could be securely mounted on it's own..... Pity, because originals being so hard to find, it's a shame they're hidden under the spare!
IIRC, the standard jack mast mounting is shown in UPC10 of the 69 AIM.
115  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy new project 69 Camaro on: November 30, 2014, 02:58:00 AM
Triple blue, Glacier blue with blue vinyl top and dark blue deluxe interior - very nice!
116  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Z28 For Sale on: November 29, 2014, 09:06:44 PM
Dusk Blue with dark blue interior is a personal favorite, looks great. Shame somebody added the Z21 brightwork (except the tail light bezels). Interested to see comments on the block stamps.
117  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Delco AM Radio Code on: November 26, 2014, 03:31:30 AM
9 = 1969
1 = Chevrolet
A = mid-size models
PB = AM pushbutton
1 = revision 1
It would be correct for a 1969 Camaro.
More info here:
http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-bin/pub9990262549620.cgi?itemid=9990346167137&action=viewad&categoryid=9990346166551
118  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: VE3 bumper on: November 26, 2014, 02:31:59 AM
It appears the outers are hard mounted to the bumper. If so that is not the correct attachment set up for the outer (KR KL) brackets to bumper.
It utilizes 2 bushings along with a metal cup and recessed screw.
James, which photo(s) are you referring to above? If you mean the last 2 I posted, those are of the inner bracket.
119  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Hose Clamps on: November 24, 2014, 02:33:47 PM
Aren't those spring clips for 68 (and maybe earlier)?
120  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: VE3 bumper on: November 24, 2014, 04:56:15 AM
No problem. Not sure if NOR used any different fastener suppliers (mine is an LA car), but my understanding from the NCRS boys is that numerous common head markings have been observed on survivor cars, and were used interchangeably; whatever supplier's product came out of the bolt bin was what went on the car.
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