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496  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 Barn Find?? on: February 14, 2014, 03:53:30 PM
WTF?! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-Z28-DZ-302-s-MATCHING-/171242694494?forcerrptr=true&hash=item27dedc275e&item=171242694494&pt=US_Cars_Trucks Asking $28,500??? New Seller with no feedback?? Huh Roll Eyes Huh Roll Eyes    Kiss that's for VD (Valentines Day silly)
497  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 14, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
Hey Gang,
This is a 3 part question that I feel is connected and relevant enough to keep as one thread. If you reply to one aspect of the 3 questions, please put a #(1-3) before your response, so others know what question you are responding to.
I'll start off by saying my car is more of a passion or love affair and its restoration has more to do with its sentimental value and memories it made for me as a teen. Having shared that, a lot of my hobbies have an intrinsic component, meaning they tend to be good investments that seem to justify the enjoyment I get while knowing they appreciate is comforting too. That is why I don't collect lint or suppositories,lol. I share this because the business side of me says to protect the value of the investment, but money is not everything especially in regards to my cars. I am not looking for replies that say things like,it's your car, make it the way you want, or you will never recoup the money, so what does it matter. I am more looking to get pragmatic, constructive feedback on some questions that have been nagging me of late regarding both aspects of parts and restoration direction and overall value.I know these questions do not have a simple yes/no. It will be a collaboration of experience that I hope to draw an understanding of some decisions I need to resolve before I proceed further in my restoration. So you swap meet types, and guys who have been down the" money pit highway" of restoration, weigh in on what you see and experience. You guys and your opinions matter and the experiences and view points are appreciated, so here goes:

1) Parts- I have many NOS parts acquired years ago before prices rocketed. I also have many "scarce" items like original curved neck BB radiator, endura bumper/jack etc...My car does not have the "coveted" paper work or matching engine. I kind of relish the fact I have these original parts, but realize they may not affect overall value of the car once finished. I also realize I could sell some of these items for a substantial profit and use the money towards fixing my body and paint. There are a couple of sheetmetal parts I still need. Would you sell the NOS stuff and get reproduction (read all the stories about fitting), sell radiator and such and get repro to replace? The couple of items needed are a LH fender and deck lid. Would you look for NOS items since everything else you already have is NOS, so you can boast no repro body panels, or mix the parts or sell the NOS?

2) This has to do with reproduction parts used values ( a vague area, I find). I scour the web on occasion looking for parts, like many here. Most items that I need now are available as reproduction and most likely the only way to go as far as cost and availability, like rubber items and some chrome stuff. Is there a rule about prices to pay for repro parts sold by private parties, left over from their resto? I ask because many prices for these repro parts from sellers are as high or higher than going to the vendor? I mean, this stuff is not hard to come by, it can be bought any day of the week, so why the high price? Is there a rule ( a depreciation) applied or accepted for such parts that guys, here, might have a consensus? How about stuff that is new, but bolted on only, sometimes never left the shop or showroom? Is that still a new part or is it like when a car is driven off the lot and has some depreciation? If you are trying to buy a repro part, like an outer door handle, how can you tell if it is the $34 pair or the $90 pr. and if the person does not know, what price would you offer not knowing?

3) This regards overall car's value after restoration. I have read on this site some opinions about values of restored cars stating it does not affect the value of the car overall if NOS vs. Reproduction sheetmetal (I assume other type parts as well) are used. You will not recoup your costs (for NOS). So, why use these parts? I have my own personal reasons, like I do not want/like repro parts or want Chinese stuff on my beloved car. The reality is, I will have to eventually put some items that are repro. So how much repro does it make a difference in value? Should the whole car be repro, because it does not affect value? If you considered a purchase, how does the following statements affect value? "car has all original panels",Car has mixture of original and NOS panels", "Car has new sheet metal" Now, I am not talking about how desirable or what you would prefer, I am seeking how it affects the overall value. Should parts replaced  be as little as possible, protecting integrity and  originality of car? Unlike the 1st question of should I keep it all GM opposed to selling off parts and going the repro route? I am looking for % of repro parts vs total overall value to car opinions here?  
498  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Dated Water Pump for 67 L-35 on: February 13, 2014, 02:20:12 PM
Yes I was just using them as examples..  I should have said "Just like cylinder heads, intakes as long as you are within a month or two months before the build date of the engine"..  If you go a month or two on the dates of the build date of the car or engine you would be in the clear.
It's the weather Darrell...It's the weather
499  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Dated Water Pump for 67 L-35 on: February 13, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
I would think that would be in the ballpark.  Just like cylinder heads, carbs & intakes as long as you are within a month or two months before the build date of the car I would call it good.  Actually you could probably get away with Oct 66 as well due to the BB becoming available the tail end of Dec first of Jan.
Heads would have to be before eng. build...I know you know this. Intake too! 1968RSZ28_I learned something new, I guess. Thought pumps where added,sorry for any mis-info group. Undecided
500  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sinkhole in the Corvette Museum on: February 13, 2014, 01:55:57 PM
Are we sure this is legit? It really looks like one of my sons threw a couple Matchboxes in a sandbox hole... The more I see the pics, the more sick I get. I saw a story where a museum rep said they might add the cars to a survivor exhibit that shows cars that survived tragic events like this. Consipiriacy theories anyone? Big marketing gimmick to get people to the museum?
No, it's REAL..   TOO real...  still an on-going situation being reported on all over the country..  CNN  ..  USA Today...  etc..
I was just kidding around Gary lol
Just prior to that pic, those cars were parked on a "grassy knoll"lol.
501  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Dated Water Pump for 67 L-35 on: February 13, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
To my understanding, and I know there are others more well versed that will opine, given your example of engine build date of 0106(Jan.6th), that is irrelevant to the water pump date. You should base it on the cars build date, since this component was added on the assembly line, rather than put on at the engine plant. Assuming the car was built, say,Jan 25th, (for purposes of setting an example), a H2O pump dated anytime prior to Jan 25th would be acceptable. Parts where brought in to the plant in large batches and as used and got down close to the bottom of the batch, a new pallet of parts were introduced and in all probability, a worker took out the few remaining old batch and put them on top to ease accessibility (my own hypothesis). Regardless, it is not unheard to have dates as little as a day up to a few months before build date. I will ad, that at 900+ cars a day, parts were used up quickly and therefore a reasonable date would be within 30 days. This is well covered on the site and many postings if you research this. I would put a link to that information, but will let others, since I am not used to doing such.
502  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sinkhole in the Corvette Museum on: February 12, 2014, 10:03:10 PM
Some videos: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/12/national-corvette-museum-sinkhole-security-camera-footage/
503  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sinkhole in the Corvette Museum on: February 12, 2014, 12:45:26 PM
Pics coming in Shocked:
504  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z/28 Leaf Springs on: February 10, 2014, 09:36:10 PM
Some pics of mine in this thread: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/534883/1

I sandblasted, then coated with a very thin film of permatex rust converter on the bare metal.
Let set 72 hours, ran over them with a scotch pad and painted with a very light coat of cast iron paint.
Then coated with REM oil, which is available at academy.  It is a penetrating oil with silicone so it hangs around pretty good.

Another thread hear just for the springs and rear axle refurb: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/519953/69_Z/28_rear_axle_and_springs_#Post519953
Lynn, It would be nice if you did a tech post on how you made those clamps and what you used for rivets. I know I would read it.
505  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Chrome Plating on: February 09, 2014, 09:38:56 PM
Chick    I cannot make it out from the pictures but is the inside ridges of the door hands still detailed fine grooves like originally? Also how are you going to rivet your knobs back on?  Thanks, Scoop

Yes Scoop, the fine grooves are still on the door handles and yes, I'm going to rivet the original knobs back on as later service replacements are not correct. More on that later as there was an article in the NCRS newletter on how to do this and it's actually quite easy and looks exact. I will post info on that subject for sure as its very worthwhile.
i look forward to seeing this explained Chick. I thought my old cranks were hopeless, but perhaps not. What do you do about yellowing of plastic? Is there a fix for that?
506  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Tulip Panel Complete on: February 09, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
I'm up for adoption Grin if I can get the same family rate! Nice! Making progress is always good.
507  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Chrome Plating on: February 09, 2014, 05:41:37 PM
I too remember having issues when I bought my rear bumper from GM. I rejected 2 and finally accepted the 3rd, grudgingly. I finally had to accept that a quality replacement was not going to be available through GM's new parts and my bumper is certainly not the quality that I was accustomed to from the General.
 My understanding about copper plating is that it is used for "show plating" where durability is sacrificed for appearance because of the softness of the copper and it's ability to be made smooth similar to prepping for paint, it costs more for extra time prepping (making smooth) a surface. Durability is the trade off because surface mars and dings easily. Sometimes, a part is so badly pitted, usually pot metals, that the copper has to be used as a "filler" to get the surface ready. This may be common knowledge to most car folks, so I apologize for redundancy and not adding anything more meaningful to the topic.
508  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What is it ? on: February 09, 2014, 11:17:17 AM
Is this the same wheel? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Copo-Tribute-/161220697580?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2589809dec&item=161220697580&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
509  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: L78 registry on: February 08, 2014, 11:09:37 PM
http://l78camaro.ning.com/ try this?
510  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What is it ? on: February 08, 2014, 11:05:42 PM
I do not have any personal experience, but I understand that Inland, the company that made the wheels, made many prototypes that where given to execs and sales reps. A guy over on sYc site had a few "one offs" for sale. A search should be able to find some example pics.
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