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241  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Your Friday Photo on: April 30, 2014, 08:04:30 PM
Beautiful angle and pic of your car Phillip! That Caddy  (1912) was the first car to have a starter. Thanks to Charles Kettering and Henry Leland. And you guys thought I only knew Camaro facts?!
242  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/11 L78 Pace Car "Unrestored survivor" on: April 29, 2014, 07:33:09 PM
Hi Roy,
Thanks for jumping in and telling what you know about this car. Your account and willingness to clarify helps give some credability to the statements made regarding this car. I was having, and still am having, a hard time wrapping my head around a couple of things specifically about the block. I really find it hard to accept that the block used for this car was 9 months old as pointed out. Not saying it is not possible, mind you, or in any way trying to discredit a claim, but I study and review many block stamps and castings here and elsewhere. And although there anomalies and anything, I suppose, is possible, I wonder how that could have happened? And then the decking. it is incredible that no one rebuilt the engine, per se, yet they pulled the motor at some point and dismantled the entire assembly and had it decked, or so it would seem by the description, and then put it back together. They were fortunate the vin stamp by filter is so strong as most are not as noted. I am NOT saying the car is tampered with, so please do not think this is an indictment of sorts. I would have to really look at things in person and a POP would certainly help me make sense of the cars history. The car is real interesting and I do love 69 BB Camaros and try to check each one out and evaluate each based on what I know. Yourself, having acquired the car in 2006 would leave over 25 years of history that would be nice to know a little clearer. If you have contacted previous owners and you say you have, they may shed some light as to what and why it is like it is. Wink
243  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Chrome trim options. on: April 28, 2014, 02:29:40 PM
ZLP (Tim) is correct, a lot of owners probably went to the dealer to add the trim ...
... the only critic you have to please is yourself! Wink

Bullitt, good observation. Lately, I realize more and more when you factor what the dealer did or may have done to sell a car, many unconventional combinations are possible.
Your other thought: Right on about pleasing yourself...I think Ricky Nelson had a song about that. Early on in a body person search, a guy looked at my car. He asked what model it was? I told him SS. He said he did not think it was an SS because it did not have spoilers or a Tachometer?! Needless to say, he was not the guy I chose. I was irked that he acted as if he would not do resto if it were a more "common" car, I just got  that opinion by his questions. His lack of Camaro knowledge about details could have been overlooked provided that he agreed to consult me or CRG on specific details, but he said he did not consult the internet for anything and info there probably would be wrong anyway. (I don't think he trusted my expertise (loosely) as he did not believe I knew what my own car was).
244  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Tornado Weather time.. :( on: April 28, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
Prayers go out to you and ALL the others affected by this storm season.   ...I knew that snow season would be missed too soon. PM me Gary with your exact home 20. Thanks and G.bless.
245  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Had Camaro out first time on: April 28, 2014, 02:11:29 PM
What's not to like, cool place to cruise and car looks great! When we would cruise at a drive-in, BITD, We would back into the spot to show off our ride and, I'll add, be ready for a match race out front of the Big Boy on the long straight 2 lane. Sigh! Those were the days. Wink

Yeah,  you also backed in, so you could watch the circling cars, not only to spot 'new or hot cars', but also to spot 'hot' ladies.. Smiley
(as did I).. Smiley

Absolutely Gar!!!  and I ended up "catching" one of those "hotties" and marrying her!!!! ending my cruising days. Best thing that ever happened, plus she let me keep my car(s)...what a catch.  I'll add, she had a "feature" that reminded me of the front of an old Caddy?!
246  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/11 L78 Pace Car "Unrestored survivor" on: April 28, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
As I have been told by more than one machine shop, Big Blocks almost always need align bore. I don't neccessarily agree as bearing wear should be a good indicator of align bore. Whether a "wives tale" or not, I have never verified what I have been told and it is this: "When Chevrolet align bored the Big Block at Tonawanda the fixtures were designed to do the Small Block and the boring bar was not long enough to do the Big Block in a single step, so the block was indexed 180 degrees and did the back two mains on a second pass coming in from the back. This is why B. Blocks always should be align bored.". Not saying this is the gospel, but how it was explained by more than one shop. I personally, do not like doing machine work for sake of just doing it, but rather, try to just what is needed or neccessary. Sometimes it is hard to know where to stop when doing machine work. Decking just to true up surface would probably leave evidence of block numbers as only .010 or .015 should be all that is needed. If I were taking more off, I would consider doing more, like making deck have zero deck height (blueprinting) and making all rods and pistons even. This would improve the "quench area" and improve combustion and full burn across top of piston increasing power and reducing detonation. If piston is clean across top (farthest away from plug) upon tear down, this indicates that fuel is not being fully burned leading to lost power. Even more critical with a domed piston. Ideal quench area (distance from piston flat on top to deck)is .030 which is achieved with a composition head gasket and zero deck height machining(this according to Smokey Yunick). I built a 350 like this once. Of course, this leads to more machining as heads have to be CC'd. So to wring out extra ponies, it gets exponentially more expensive to achieve as you approach 100 percent efficiency (not possible). Basic performance tricks and machining yield close to 80 percent and is a practical approach for most. Stack up tolerances effect so much of a builds performance and that is why two identical stockers can have such a varying difference in performance.
247  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Had Camaro out first time on: April 28, 2014, 10:01:06 AM
What's not to like, cool place to cruise and car looks great! When we would cruise at a drive-in, BITD, We would back into the spot to show off our ride and, I'll add, be ready for a match race out front of the Big Boy on the long straight 2 lane. Sigh! Those were the days. Wink
248  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/11 L78 Pace Car "Unrestored survivor" on: April 27, 2014, 07:29:22 PM
Why would you deck a standard bore block ? If the bores were in that good of shape, the deck surface should be pretty flat. Hard to imagine a 92,000 mile block that didn't require some overbore, considering yesterday's materials. Could be wrong, but normally one might require the other. That early a casting for a May car ? One month, maybe two, but 9 is unlikely.

Regards -

Machine shops, what are they in the business of doing? Why, machining, of course!! I never and mean NEVER had an engine where the shop did not recommend it all. Regardless if I thought it needed boring or whatever after checking with my own guages/mics, the shop wanted to do everything to the engine. Two reasons: They want to insure, as much as possible, the engine lives, protecting their reputation. 2, That (machining) is their business, so of course they will sell what work they can. The material and casting/machining variances from that era, as pointed out, almost if not always guarantee boring, align boring with relatively low miles. I only insisted that the decking was not to be done to protect the numbers after some discussion with shop owner.
249  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/11 L78 Pace Car "Unrestored survivor" on: April 27, 2014, 04:54:25 PM
Saw that car and ain't buying that claim. Car, according to Vin is late April/early May 69. Block casting is August 68. Stamp by filter looks suspicious, but will hold my comment as I have not seen that many oil filter pads. Most of my cars have had stamp on pad. Also (conveinently) decked pad, I may add. Just not giving it the "Survivor" claim stated.
250  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long have you owned your Camaro? on: April 25, 2014, 09:23:29 PM
Mikes 69 coupe-Very very nice! LeMans Blue-a favorite among myself and many here on site. Welcome to the site,congrats on the long "affair" with your car-nice story
Daytona Yellow Z/28- That is a sweet looking ride-Love Big Blocks! Nice to see the old pics and congrats on your long time owning and commitment.
Dino67 - Pics! need pics. Sounds like a real righteous ride. L78 Wow! Welcome to the site and keep posting to all you great guys with great cars.
251  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Front Bumper Guards on: April 24, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
My car, as well, has (had) them (front guards). I look at a lot of 69's and check out what options they have. Like these front guards in topic, I am surprised how many cars appear to have rear defrost, when it was scarce, also, according to production figures. I wonder now how many cars had several dealer installed options that ,of course, are not recorded? That may explain why seemingly scarce options are more prolific than production figures indicate. This is not considering the recent increase in adding options to restos as more and more repro parts become available.
252  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: vin numbers on: April 23, 2014, 08:36:56 PM

   . Automatic tranny.

Could you tell what kind of trans? 2 or 3 speed? TH400 could possibly indicate a SS Big Block car.There are so many things to check that may be definitive of what car is or was with TT #'s being somewhat useless as stated on a 68
253  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / N44 in non HP 69s on: April 22, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
My Yellow 69 has N44. I have conversed with Jon Mello about this car. It is a 3E Nor 307 4speed Saginaw, drum brake car. I am looking for other non Z or SS car owners with N44 (confirmed) to see just how unusual this option occurrence is. RPO production sheet shows 2161 with this option (non Z, SS). This is a manual steering car also. Other N44 owners chime in please. Also, did all SS cars receive N44? My L48 car has manual steering and it appears to be a Non-N44 setup. I guarantee these cars are untampered originals. Thanks CRG. Smiley
254  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Parts found from the Original owner of my 1969 Z/28 on: April 22, 2014, 06:55:46 PM
Well under date it says: 03222. Anybody have any ideas?
Or anybody have an original license frame bracket that can confirm on the "C" stamp? All you ever wanted to know about front license bracket, but were afraid to ask. Nothing on package date, at least , I don't think there is, but plenty about stamped letters and ID of original Bullitt65.
255  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Bad Luck is Better Than No Luck; Right? on: April 21, 2014, 04:23:19 PM
My experience with 11:1 slugs (closed chamber) are they were meant for square port heads. The corner of the dome will hit the combustion chamber on oval ports. Are the pistons made for oval ports? Not that this would cause your problem, just an observation and my knowledge of these engines. Back when I was a teen, a guy (kind of a butcher, I will add) told us he did this piston swap all the time and just revved the engine to shave off that little corner that hit. I have a set of pistons that had "gone through this treatment". Like Janobyte, I am suspect of a timing problem or a geometry problem. Can you take a pic of all affected PRs along with an undamaged? It might shed a little more light?
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