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106  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Start Here on: June 21, 2014, 11:00:29 PM
Bentley isn't that your new parts car???

That makes mine look saveable,lol Hey, this car has astro-nomical ventilation?? Roll Eyes
107  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it Worth..? on: June 21, 2014, 02:48:11 PM
Just to clarify, my comment was not a "dig" on your car, and your reply was eloquent and did not indicate such. It is hard to describe what I would consider acceptable embellishments. A disclaimer-just my perception and opinion, so take it for what its worth. Such things as "period" or "era" stuff is perfectly fine to me (note other mods were not mentioned, like your chrome braces) or mud flaps in another post. Those are just things done "in the day". I would leave those items on a car, if I bought it...doesn't bother me. I was just thinking if I were considering a purchase and saw the car advertised as a real Z, upon seeing things in a pic, like the decal mentioned, I would question if the guy really had a Z or knew what was supposed to be on the car and a progression of thought, I may dismiss a car ad upon seeing items that an enthusiast would surely not have on a car, because there are plenty of bogus and mis-stated cars. Your own admission is that you removed the decal (after learning of its origin) showing you are an enthusiast  and of a high level. I have a hard time pricing cars these days myself as I have not personally inspected or compared any in years other than pics on the net. My advice about decal was based on getting the best price and most interest for your car, so, perhaps, others would not pass it up when they see a small detail that would make them question the legitimacy of the car. This would go for any car.
Conclusion: If an ad started "Real Z for sale", I click on pics and see that decal, I'm thinking, yea, right, probably not a real Z or that guy would know better to have that decal...I guess that is the point. I will also say, I will be so fortunate if my own car comes out half as nice as yours when it is completed. Bentley
108  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it Worth..? on: June 21, 2014, 12:33:21 PM
Plus column far exceeds negatives. Beautiful , straight car. Appears a nicely done clone with a few personal touches , but it's not. It's the real deal with the 302 sitting on a stand. And from what you say, not a bunch of after market sheet metal built around a vin tag.

I like your car quite a bit, but I'm a little partial to 68 Z's lol.

The cost of getting one to that level in primer alone?? From some of these barn finds?

If you are on the fence, set the bar high. It's the person who doesn't have one in the garage that may come off the long dollar.

Very nice car, I agree! I'd get rid of that "caution fan" sticker though. Looks cheesy and speaks,"I don't don't know what the H--l I'm doing when restoring a Camaro."
109  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Well it only took me a year to drive my Camaro again... on: June 19, 2014, 03:35:31 PM
Austin,did Jim Nabors sing "Back Home in Indiana" for you? Welcome back to the Midwest. Nice shop pic.
110  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Start Here on: June 19, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
I am already watching that one. It is intriguing to see what a complete project will bring

I'm watching this one just to see what folks are smok'n!!?   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Base-69-Camaro-X11-Project-or-Parts-car-/151330754361?forcerrptr=true&hash=item233c040f39&item=151330754361&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_253wt_1105
111  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: vin removal on: June 19, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
About those VIN rivets, it has been on my mind too. My dash is rusted out at the windshield clear up to the lh defrost duct hole (&@#& Ohio rust!)  Angry ,how and what will happen to the tag if dash is replaced? I apologize if this a little off topic, not wanting to hi-jack post. Embarrassed
112  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: A.I.R Smog Diverter valve on: June 17, 2014, 09:09:15 PM
I've seen several low horse 69 Big Blocks without clutch fan, hence the 4 blade standard fan. Just to affirm the fact.
113  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fake or real DZ stamp and partial Vin ? on: June 17, 2014, 11:39:58 AM
Are there shops using surfacing machines that leave this pattern or was it done by hand?

A friend of mine who does the swap meet thing weekly has many contacts and introduced a few to me while at a swap last year. In our conversation, restamping came up. These guys were telling me they can get anything done for a Camaro. They told me of a place in Ky. that will stamp block and has the exact broaching machine to resurface block. While I was surprised to learn this, at the same time, I was not surprised. I guess I have heard it all. Although I have no interest in this type service, I am aware now, that even the broaching can be replicated.
114  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z on: June 13, 2014, 10:44:46 PM
It looks like this new seller knows what he is doing. The way he has gotten the car out in the open, more showable, pictures and a much better description, He might make a little money.
If you note his feedback . Angry Angry Angry
115  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z on: June 13, 2014, 09:29:24 AM
The Z/28 emblem would override the R/S emblem. Chevy wouldn't put two emblems on the car. What would they do on the rear body panel?
We CRGers know how it is supposed to be, but what about the guys building them back then. This may have been the first Z or, at least, Z/RS built in 69! Maybe there was some confusion or no clarity at the start of production and it got both emblems. Is that possible? Who knows if that is even the original grille. I am just throwing out an idea that perhaps early in production, some anomalies may have occured until assemblies were clarified by supervision. I could see how it could be possible to leave the plant with both emblems myself. Others have a thought? JohnZ? Ed?
116  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: valve adj on: June 10, 2014, 06:59:40 PM
You may want more gear or an M20, IMO.
117  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Need help/picture to correct my 69 Z28 write up from Jerry MacNeish. on: June 10, 2014, 07:49:37 AM
3) As I understand, facing the side of the car, the black was sprayed perpendicular to the body side. This would mean the part of the rocker that turns under (faces the ground) did not get directly painted, just overspray. Will point out that Norwood blackout done by Fisher, so fenders were not on the car and posted and known examples show a masked line on lower cowl usually tappering upward toward front of cowl. Not imperative in resto, but exact.
My car as an example of masked front cowl (ignore the rust and flaws).
118  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: June 10, 2014, 07:22:16 AM
DW, I was thinking the same thought. We do have "all the pieces"". Yet, After reading many of the comments on the Corvette site, I can see how dissention can occur.

What I am reffering to is that someone(group) decides on a standard to judge the cars by and everyone scrambles to make their car conform.

Yet, here on CRG, we kind of celebrate the diversity and realize and document the variances we find. It is a learning process. To say all the cars(insert your year and model) are "cookie cutter" exact would erase what all the years of site research have netted. An example: My 396 car has (had) only one screw holding the RH tailpipe hanger on and only 2 clips holding the muncie speedo cable in place. Although the AIM shows and I know both these details are not in conformance with what is known as correct, I am leaving the car "as found" even if it would cause "points" loss, which has no interest to me. On the other hand, with the flame paint job it had, I am glad there are documented examples of stripes, and other details I can reference, here, on the site.
To summarize: it is good to know how it should be when restoring and also good to keep it unique knowing things were not exact on the assembly line. NCRS, while probably the best organization promoting the Vette, has, or can have, inherent flaws in establishing conformity regarding judging standards.
119  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z on: June 08, 2014, 07:48:08 PM
and to ZLP955,  yeah it would bother me to sink more $$ than it'd be worth.

Maybe you should get a car that is completed already as it is next to impossible not to get "upside down" when doing a resto...especially the more you learn about a model, the more you will not be satisfied with the status quo, meaning what your average car guy calls a restoration will not be adequate to you, an enthusiast (I hope), as you learn more and demand more.
120  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z on: June 08, 2014, 05:59:17 PM
VINCE Z28 Has an inspiring story of chasing down a drivetrain that you should read, here, on the site. With the car staying in the same area its whole life and only two owners, it may not be as hard to locate, at least as many searches go (difficult and deadends). Finding the drivetrain(born with) would be a game changer. Good luck and proceed with caution.
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