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211  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 27, 2011, 04:45:35 PM
Of course. I understood what you meant. Have you heard back from Jerry or Ed yet?
212  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 27, 2011, 04:38:20 PM
Great thanks. I was 99% sure after seeing it for myself yesterday. But I was certainly worried about that last 1%.  Cheesy
213  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 27, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
The consignor was able to take some clearer photos of the VIN 19N547348 on the engine pad. I know some are hard to read due to the generator, but with it being on consignment they are not willing to let me take it apart. So the attached photos will have to due unless or until I can have Jerry or Ed do a complete due diligence. I welcome your feedback to based on information at hand to this point.

I know the 3 and 8 in 547348 are worn and hard to see but they are there and you can just make them out in the last photo

Mickey
214  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 27, 2011, 12:26:55 PM
It has certainly been fun so far. It is like being a detective try to find facts and figures, what is right and what is not. Then if your reseach is correct then it is llike finding a treasure. I am an engineer by trade, so a technical subject such as this suits my personality.

I already know there is an added aftermarket A/C that is ok it is much needed here in FL to take it out for a drive in the middle of summer. That is ok because I know. I just want to know what the car is and what it is not.

I certainly hope it is one of the original L34's

In addition if the car is in fact authentic, the other half of the fun is doing the work bringing it back to life.
215  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 27, 2011, 10:31:57 AM
I would think that would be the case with cars that had higher production numbers that the dates would be closer together. But could it be possible as you said earlier Marty that only 2000 of the L34 options were produced. As a result could the engine build date be earlier waiting for the order/body to go to assembly?
216  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
Thanks Marty. I found out my camera was set for far away shots not close up  Embarrassed, but I do not know if another trip is possible. I have to return to work tomorrow, so I am hoping the consignor can send me a clear photo. I have not heard back from Jerry yet.
217  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Cool Christmas gift on: December 26, 2011, 07:41:32 PM
If it is restored it may be worth something to the COPO, Yenko or ZL-1 clone makers.
218  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 07:35:40 PM

As far as I can tell the TH400 looks promising as well. Just need a date?


Sure hope it all pans out. That is one heck of a car. Only ~2000 ’69 L34’s built!

Engine:  T 08 21 JI 
            T= Tonawanda Engine Plant                               
       0821= Aug 21
           JI= L34

Axle: BI 11 15 G 1
       BI= 2.73 Ratio
   1115=  Nov. 15
        G= Detroit Gear & Axle Plant
        1=  Shift 1

That is the same info that I got. I was hoping for a lower gear ratio with posi, but it is what it is.                                                                                             
                                                                                               

My understanding based on the information in the CRG is the 69 and 316 on the trans tag is a Julian calendar date. I do not know what this means, maybe some here can decode that for me?


One of 2000 Hmmmm maybe I should just go get it now Smiley

Engine and axle number are the same as I got. The I in front of the JI threw me at first until I read that the date codes used I and 1 interchangably.
219  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
PS I thought you guys might get a laugh at me trying to photograph the VIN location on the TH400 with the car on a lift.  Grin I had the camera all the way on the bottom side of the floor pan looking down on the top of the trans pan mounting flange trying to get the camera far enough away to focus.
220  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 07:24:01 PM
Thanks Marty.

I don't know what happened in the photos. Not sure if it was my LED flash light or the camera being too close to focus, or both. But like I said in person the numbers matched and looked exactly like yours. I feel confident that the car is authentic numbers wise. At least I do not think that issue is in question.

However, after having the opportunity to see the car on a lift and then drive. I am wondering if the car is going to need some mechanical work in the near future. The underside of the car had 40+ years of oil, grease, and road grime with oil leaking down the back side of the pan. This would indicate to me at least a tear down of the engine to the short block for full gasket replacements. During the test drive (It did run and drive) but it felt sluggish and loose. When I got into the go pedal it bogged and just did not pull at all again indicating a need of an engine rebuild. I did not have the tools to do a compression test and or leak down. As for the loose part either the steering needs to be adjusted or rebuilt or it is time for new ball joints, shocks, springs etc.. Still not a deal killer but the seller is asking in what my opinion would be a car that needs no work at all.

Maybe I could ask the consignor if they could get a better picture? Anyway like I said earlier in person the engine pad looks good so at least I am 99% confident that the car is authentic just in need of some TLC under the hood. With that information in mind, what would be your opinion on the value of the car? I am trying to decide where it is priced.

Like I said earlier is there anyone in FL that would be interested in checking it out it would be a great help.

221  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 05:27:27 PM
Before you pay someone to inspect the car, see if you can find a person who knows these cars that will give it a preliminary look. Then fork over cash to someone else if you choose. There are people in this hobby who have owned, built and scrapped countless of them over the decades.

Do you know of anyone in FL?
222  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 05:07:30 PM
Trans tag and rear axle
223  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 26, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
I went to see the car today and the numbers check out. I could not see the VIN on the trans because it was too tight to get where I could see it but it had the orginal yellow tag for TH400s. From the looks on the underside of the car it has not been removed. The engine is orginial and the hidden vin on the stamp pad confirm it. I was also able to locate the hidden vin in the cowl area and the rear axle information.

Hidden Cowl VIN 9N547348

Engine stamp pad T082IJI with VIN 19N547348. I know the photo is fuzzy, but I posted it to show that it has not been tampered with and I saw in person the whole number matching the VIN.

The yellow trans tag shows CE (which is correct for an L34 engine) 69 316 then below on the same tag CE-69-2442

The rear axle code shows BI 1115G1 2.73 ratio 12 bolt non posi. So I am confident that it is authentic. I know the photos are fuzzy but I posted it just to show that it has not been tampered with.
224  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Help and advice prior to purchase? on: December 25, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
Thanks Marty. I have been reading through all of the CRG research pages the last couple of days.

The car is for sale by a dealer/consignor so I am hoping that they will have a lift and have it up for me to inspect. I will take a flash light and some rags with me. Also I am looking for the VIN to be stamped on the engine, trans, and rear axle to indicate a numbers matching car correct? This is a Norwood car, but it is about two weeks before the x codes were used and there is no paper work. So my understanding to KNOW that it is a real SS is for the numbers to match with the BBC in it. The drivetrain numbers matching the VIN is my only real concern at this time and the general condition of the car instead of just looking at pictures so far.

Assuming it is correct until I can go see it in person the next couple of days and verify, what is your opinion of the general condition of the car, would you buy it, and a general range of values you would expect to pay for this car. Since I have never owned one of the cars before, please comment or give your opinion. Any help you give is much appreciated.
225  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: fuel filter location on: December 24, 2011, 08:53:16 PM
Thanks. I have downloaded and saved the link.
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