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721  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Z/28 Power Brake Hose Bracket - Original? on: September 23, 2013, 01:42:30 PM
For some reason I'm thinking it was natural..  But I might be wrong.

My original is zinc-plated; I doubt if any of them were "natural", as they'd rust quickly, and everything around them was either painted, plated, or aluminum. See my "Bracket Location" photo in the first post in this thread.

I thought that after I posted but figured someone that had an OE piece would chime in.  Thanks John!!   Grin
722  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner on: September 23, 2013, 11:54:16 AM
I know COPO 's came with automatics,

I gotcha..  I didnt know by your post.


Why wouldn't this be considered a recreation??? (if he has nothing to prove it otherwise)


I do not see proof one way or the other.  To me its one of those cars you put a ? mark next to until info is presented one way or the other.  Whats been presented so far isnt enough.
 
723  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Camaro and Firebird bucket seats? on: September 23, 2013, 08:02:33 AM
Not that I've ever encountered.
724  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: WOW! Chance to buy a COPO from Original owner on: September 23, 2013, 07:04:56 AM
ok, so you saying it was an original copo, but now has a ce block in it plus the fact that it is an automatic and you still think it sold for close to 100K?

FYI COPOs were also ordered with automatics.    That has no baring on whether or not this is a legit car but do not want you to think they only came with 4 speeds.
725  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 grille center plastic repair on: September 22, 2013, 03:43:29 PM
The 2 part epoxies have worked for me in the past.  I've also used old pieces of the same plastic & a soldering iron. But the latter was not good as far as apperance.. 
726  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Z/28 Power Brake Hose Bracket - Original? on: September 22, 2013, 03:39:21 PM
For some reason I'm thinking it was natural..  But I might be wrong.
727  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: '68 SS Emblem with Standard Grill on: September 22, 2013, 02:01:15 PM
Only pic I have handy.  But looks like the small one is correct.


728  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1100837 9 F 17 on: September 19, 2013, 08:06:56 PM
I'm certainly no expert..  But with the vin being late may early June I wouldn't feel comfortable with a 9 F 17...
729  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1100837 9 F 17 on: September 19, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
I would say yes it's too late..  You could go a couple of months earlier than your build date & still be ok. 
730  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 CAMARO'S LEFT ON THE ROAD on: September 19, 2013, 10:36:15 AM
The car was $500 & yes he just wanted to part it out.  He always said he didn't know why he didn't just go ahead & buy the tags & vin..  Guess he felt the body was too rough at the time..  It already had rot in the floors, trunk & quarters when he bought it.  But that's just the way it was back then..
731  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 CAMARO'S LEFT ON THE ROAD on: September 19, 2013, 07:28:16 AM
RIP and glad the families at least have some type of closure.


Not to change the subject, but back in the early, early 80's my father bought a 69 SS/RS L34, 4-speed Cortez car but the owner wanted another $500 for the tag, vin & title.  Dad passed on the TT & vin (Ahhh hindsight) and that car sat in the back of my parents property up until 2008 when I finally hauled it off to the scrap yard.  The engine is in a 69 SS Chevelle of a relative, trans was sold, houndstooth interior was sold, subframe, doghouse & diff used on another project.  The only thing left was a shell and it was completely rotten &/or gone.  Even used part of the firewall on another car.  Needless to say, wish we would have bought the other items originally and just restored that car.  Did the same to a 68 Firebird 350 auto car too..  That doesnt include the countless others over the years..  These were just the two that stuck out the most.
732  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 19, 2013, 07:13:57 AM
Cook DW

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?

That is correct.  You can not pin point the date with the vin.  But you can get an idea of if it would be possible.  In 68 the vins started at 300,001 & with the one in question being 363426 that would mean that 63,425 cars were built in the first month or so of production.. To me that is not likely..  Do not take that as gospel; it is just my perception on the production.. 

Cook DW

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?

Jbyer8,  look at this link;  http://camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
GM did keep records of the last Vin. built each month at each plant.  That Vin. is about 2 months out of line.

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?
That is not true. VIN's were sequential so knowing the VIN, you can easily tell what month is was made.
Tag is Sept, VIN is December.
I'd guess the VIN was swapped. Not good, no matter what the paperwork says.


I stand corrected.  Thanks Mike & Kurt.  I didnt realize that data was available.
733  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
Cook DW

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?

That is correct.  You can not pin point the date with the vin.  But you can get an idea of if it would be possible.  In 68 the vins started at 300,001 & with the one in question being 363426 that would mean that 63,425 cars were built in the first month or so of production.. To me that is not likely..  Do not take that as gospel; it is just my perception on the production.. 
734  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Leaf spring removal on: September 18, 2013, 10:41:49 AM
FYI on photos use something like photobucket.com to store your pics & use the URL in the post.  Plus it's free.
735  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 09:35:36 AM
On my '69, I was able to see the hidden VIN under the cowl panel without removing the panel, by using a bright light and viewing thru the cowl vent slots...   From a 'legality' of ownership perspective, he should at least verify that the VIN he's considering purchase of is actually the original VIN of the car by checking at least one of the hidden VINs.   It appears he's not interested in a 'matching numbers' Camaro, or one with 'special mfg features', but just wanting a nice Camaro to drive.   And the car he's considering admittedly is a 'modified' car.    that said, and if he understands that then the only things he really needs to verify are:
1) Is the VIN correct (this is a legal issue wrt ownership of the car)...??  If this isn't true.. then RUN..
2) Does the car exhibit signs of improper rust or wreck repair?  
3) Does the modified car have the features he desires in a driver Camaro (ie. engine, trans, brakes, interior, etc)?
4) Were the modifications performed to his satisfaction?
5) Does he LIKE the way the car looks and drives for the price ...?

IMO the trim plate only states how Chevrolet built the car initially, and once a car is modified (and if the owner is happy with it), it really matters now at this point in time.

That was kinda my point..  If the vin matches the title & you are ok with it & like the car then go for it.  I personally would not buy a car if the vin tag & hidden vin did not match.  Other than that ultimately if you are happy with the car then that's all that matters.
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