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646  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 19, 2013, 07:13:57 AM
Cook DW

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?

That is correct.  You can not pin point the date with the vin.  But you can get an idea of if it would be possible.  In 68 the vins started at 300,001 & with the one in question being 363426 that would mean that 63,425 cars were built in the first month or so of production.. To me that is not likely..  Do not take that as gospel; it is just my perception on the production.. 

Cook DW

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?

Jbyer8,  look at this link;  http://camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
GM did keep records of the last Vin. built each month at each plant.  That Vin. is about 2 months out of line.

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?
That is not true. VIN's were sequential so knowing the VIN, you can easily tell what month is was made.
Tag is Sept, VIN is December.
I'd guess the VIN was swapped. Not good, no matter what the paperwork says.


I stand corrected.  Thanks Mike & Kurt.  I didnt realize that data was available.
647  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
Cook DW

I read that the vin doesn't tell you anything about build date. Is that not true?

That is correct.  You can not pin point the date with the vin.  But you can get an idea of if it would be possible.  In 68 the vins started at 300,001 & with the one in question being 363426 that would mean that 63,425 cars were built in the first month or so of production.. To me that is not likely..  Do not take that as gospel; it is just my perception on the production.. 
648  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Leaf spring removal on: September 18, 2013, 10:41:49 AM
FYI on photos use something like photobucket.com to store your pics & use the URL in the post.  Plus it's free.
649  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 09:35:36 AM
On my '69, I was able to see the hidden VIN under the cowl panel without removing the panel, by using a bright light and viewing thru the cowl vent slots...   From a 'legality' of ownership perspective, he should at least verify that the VIN he's considering purchase of is actually the original VIN of the car by checking at least one of the hidden VINs.   It appears he's not interested in a 'matching numbers' Camaro, or one with 'special mfg features', but just wanting a nice Camaro to drive.   And the car he's considering admittedly is a 'modified' car.    that said, and if he understands that then the only things he really needs to verify are:
1) Is the VIN correct (this is a legal issue wrt ownership of the car)...??  If this isn't true.. then RUN..
2) Does the car exhibit signs of improper rust or wreck repair?  
3) Does the modified car have the features he desires in a driver Camaro (ie. engine, trans, brakes, interior, etc)?
4) Were the modifications performed to his satisfaction?
5) Does he LIKE the way the car looks and drives for the price ...?

IMO the trim plate only states how Chevrolet built the car initially, and once a car is modified (and if the owner is happy with it), it really matters now at this point in time.

That was kinda my point..  If the vin matches the title & you are ok with it & like the car then go for it.  I personally would not buy a car if the vin tag & hidden vin did not match.  Other than that ultimately if you are happy with the car then that's all that matters.
650  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 08:49:56 AM
RED FLAG..

That vin does not line up with the build date...  I would ask the seller to get pictures of the hidden vins..
651  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Leaf spring removal on: September 18, 2013, 08:42:41 AM
You have to forgive me cause its been a few years since I pulled the leafs out of one of my cars.

Are you saying the 3 bolts that hold the front leaf spring bracket are stripped or are the nuts that are on the inside broken their spot welds?  Arent there pockets in and around that area that would allow you to get to the once welded nuts?  If not and the nuts are spinning I would cut the heads of the bolts off and get the leaf & bracket out of the way to get to the nuts.   
652  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 08:30:18 AM
The tag looks beat up but seems fine.  I would need to see the vin to know if it falls in line with the tag.


Here is a list of things I would check.  

1.  Make sure the hidden vin matches the vin on the dash. -  http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VIN
2.  Look for all the areas of rust (since this was a vinyl top car definitely look around the front and back glass), floor pans, trunk area, rear quarter areas etc.
3.  If you are concerned if the engine is original to the car or not. - http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps
4.  Ditto on the transmission. - http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#trans
5.  Ditto on the rearend - http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#axle


Honestly, if you just want a good car that is a great driver that you want to enjoy then I would just verify #1 & 2.  These cars were meant to be driven regardless the rarity of them.  When I finish my 3 they all will be driven as much as possible (weather permitting).  If I were you I would spend as much time as possible reading over the info on this site before making a purchase.  If you do not find the answers you are looking for just ask.  Someone here will help you.

http://www.camaros.org


FWIW:
I would at least have the seller send as many pics as they could of the undercarriage, hidden vins, and whatever else you wanted to view before wasting time to look at a car..  
653  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Z/28 Power Brake Hose Bracket - Original? on: September 18, 2013, 07:09:26 AM
The bracket labeled 'AAC' appears correct, matches what is on my car....

Ditto


The bracket in the photos Danny posted seems too short.

Ditto
654  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 07:06:36 AM
Welcome to the site and congrats on potentially becoming a 1st gen owner.  To answer your question; its kinda hard to tell you much about the car from just the cowl tag minus the paint color & interior.  What is it exactly that you are wanting to know? 

655  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1968 - Orphans / Re: 8N437338 - Protect-O-Plate on: September 17, 2013, 08:15:11 PM
I see a trend here..  lol
656  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 CONVERT. TRIM TAG REAL OR ? on: September 13, 2013, 11:54:56 AM
Im going against the grain.  Its a real tag.  Obviously the rivets are terrible & not sure if its correct to the car; need more info to know for sure. 

Repro tag.

I see my oversight now..  I suck..   Tongue
657  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 CONVERT. TRIM TAG REAL OR ? on: September 12, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
Im going against the grain.  Its a real tag.  Obviously the rivets are terrible & not sure if its correct to the car; need more info to know for sure. 
658  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: LOS Special Paint Cowl Tag on: September 06, 2013, 08:54:29 PM
I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?
659  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Amp gauge problem on: September 06, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
Sounds like a neg & pos are swapped.  Or a ground not connected.
660  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 NOR build sheet on: September 06, 2013, 11:00:01 AM
I have not heard of any being found.  If there were to be found I would look under all seats between  the springs or even under the carpet. 

Off topic sort of but went to a local pull-a-part & they had a 68 barracuda & under the back seat was the build sheet..  So you never know.
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