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301  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Auction at Auburn Indiana this weekend... on: May 06, 2014, 09:51:23 AM



How could anyone want a 69 (especially HO 69   Grin) over something as beautiful as this.



Seriously though, there are a few things wrong with the car but if it has docs and/or the correct drivetrain it could bring a decent price.  Pretty car nonetheless.

302  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 06, 2014, 09:14:55 AM
E is the interior paint code which is black.  GG is ash gold no vinyl roof.

303  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Parts for 1 gen Camaro on: May 06, 2014, 08:53:58 AM
I have used Classic Industries several times.  They are a little bit slow on shipping but other than that I have had good experiences with them.  I usually try to buy from local vendors if possible but sometimes the price difference will force me to buy from Classic.  Never dealt with Year One due to their prices are usually too high.  Heartbeat would be another that seems to have a good rep but I have not used them so I can not speak from experience.
304  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: stamping real or? on: May 05, 2014, 08:18:46 PM
Im not so sure about this one.  Awful crisp stamping..  I wont post why I feel this way but I dont like it.
305  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 and 69 Camaros for sale..... :) on: May 05, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
If they cars are solid then that is a great buy at 8K.  I was getting excited about the 68 until I read it was an auto with A/C..   Cry
306  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Bad Luck is Better Than No Luck; Right? on: May 05, 2014, 08:01:37 AM
Bouncing back to this thread...don't overlook a hydraulic roller if your going in that direction. I run one with hydro roller lifters in the race car and am very pleased with it.
Back to a binding issue ,get a straight line measurement of a bent rod vs. true one and subtract the difference. How much are milled from the heads, gasket thickness ,deck height ?  My guess is pushrod length obviously wasn't checked in assembly. Again a real mystery to me that motor ran fine for awhile before breakage Geometry problem.

 No raw fuel in the headers ?

What was your run time? Was the initial "tick" immediate upon oil pressure coming up? Was it primed before start up ? I continue to find it hard to believe it was broken in prior to your purchase.

Goes without saying use an adjustable pushrod to obtain proper length this go around. They will vary with machining/cam/rotating assemblies which deviate from stock measurements. Sometimes per cylinder, per I/E. I'm into bigger cube small blocks but has to hold true for " the heavy engines" also.

I would have bet  shrapnel made it's way to the bottom of the pan and "machining" to the filter--good for you. Keep us updated on your findings.

(hydro roller/roller lifters, fresh/matched valve train, low maintenance ground pounder with good vacuum and idle characteristics IMO)

No slop, Timing is dead on.  I will degree the cam once I go back together with it.  After dis-assembly its not as bad as I first thought.  The valves were just kissing the pistons and no real damage has occurred. No debris in the oil pan and cylinder walls look great.  I will be putting new bearings in the block & on the rods just because.  I have checked the pushrod length and it is correct.  At first I had thought the pistons were hitting the heads but that is not the case after claying.  Same with the P to V there is 0.050" clearance there.  I am going to chalk it up to engine not running for 7 plus years and things didnt want to play nice and after it bending the pushrods and me readjusting them it began to destroy the pushrods.  After all the pushrods were 1010 mild steel so I guess I am fortunate because it destroyed them and not something else like a valve or piston or cam.  Still not 100% yet on the cam.  I am old school and I have a Crane blueprint cam I bought years ago. Its a solid flat tappet L78 cam that I may end up using since all I would need is lifters.  I am going to go ahead and have the heads reworked and new springs installed and start putting it back together.  If it fails again then Ill build another motor or go LSx (since I have the ECU, harness & forged shortblock sitting in the garage.  Either way I am pushing forward. 

As for the guy that built the engine; I have talked to him and he broke it in and drove it a couple times and when my father got the car he ran it quite a bit and even drove it up the street a couple times.  He is not the type that would overlook details but everyone is human.  The guy that did the heads has turned out to have a very bad rep in the area and is not longer in business so if there is a problem with heads Ill have the answer as to why and who.  Nothing more I can do now but move on and build it back.

Thanks for any and all tips, replies or things to look for.  Fortunately this is not my first or last rodeo.   Cheesy
307  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 04, 2014, 09:02:52 PM
Will we receive an email notification of when our data is shipped out?  Would like to know when to expect the letter or package is in the mail.   Grin  Thanks, Darrell
308  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 04, 2014, 10:33:57 AM
Hello everyone, is this the same database as NICB?

I can only tell that there have been some conflicts between the two results. In other words what we have has produced different results on several occasions than what someone already had from the NICB.

Two things in this respect I'm told on good authority the NICB files are no longer researchable with out case numbers. Our research indicates the GM records contain more data than what we have seen from the NICB files..

From NCRS

"We are missing the following data:
1969 Camaro 9N508855 to 9N587275
1970 Chevelle made in Atlanta, Seventh digit would be A.
NCRS does not anticipate nor have we been authorized to offer any additional GM brand information.
So from Sept 68 to end of Jan 69 NOR is missing. "

This is going to throw my request out - my Camaro falls in this range. What now ? Do I get refunded, or do I switch my VIN request to the next one I need ?
 
 
 


He mentioned previously that if no data was found on a vin that the money would be refunded.
309  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: seen this 68 Z on ebay if anyone is looking on: May 03, 2014, 09:02:39 PM
How's your motor coming Darrell? I guess I can hijack my own thread!


Its coming.  Motors out, on the stand and everything looks good at this point.  Clayed the tops of the pistons today and the P to V clearance is about 0.050"  Still scratching my head as to how the problem happened.  My thinking is the springs may be close to coil binding at above idle or the springs are too leak for the cam.  Next will be to have the heads looked over and a new set of springs installed.  Then it'll go back together.  Cam, lifters, cylinder walls and bearings all look good.  Still debating on whether or not to reuse the current cam or go with a solid roller.  Time will tell. Cool

I'd like to see you have that car Darrell, know you have a sweet spot for 68's ,might as well have a pair !

Yes I do have a soft spot for the 8's.  Especially the early Z's with the 302 emblems but I still would love to have this one as well.  Maybe down the road once I finish the red car then I can start the search for another one.  Little lady wants a 55 or 57 first though..  Trying to convince her that 55's are the better of the 2.  Not to mention on favorite tri-5.   Wink

Darrell not only does "the picture taker need to be fried" they also listed the exterior color as BLACK....

Shouldnt that equal a 5K discount for incorrect info..??..   Grin
310  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: seen this 68 Z on ebay if anyone is looking on: May 03, 2014, 05:54:08 PM
Anyone got 25-30K they want to let me borrow/have?  I would love to have this car..

The picture taker needs to be fired...
311  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 02, 2014, 02:32:34 PM
Less than 2K away from my car.  Closest one yet that I have seen.  Thanks Paul.
312  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 02, 2014, 01:50:07 PM
Someone here bought that car (well what was left).  Cant remember who though.  Wish I knew the vin; it was built one week after mine.
313  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: fake protecto plates heard any stories on: May 02, 2014, 01:33:50 PM
There is always human error when it comes to data entry.  Now with that being said I have seen pop's that were a little off or letters or numbers left off by accident.   I have also seen hidden vins that are a number off from the actual vin plate in the dash.  Anymore almost nothing is 100%.


EDIT:

After rereading your statement/question I see what you are asking now.  Yes there are many different fake pop's out in the world.  That should not be the only doc that a person should verify.  As twisted as this world is if you want to be 100% correct with a purchase of a car you have to do your homework.  IF you are still uncertain; there are people out there that will look a car over for you for $$$..
314  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28, One Owner Carolina Blue Crossram JL8 on: May 02, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
The camaro is scheduled to be sold on Friday May 16th 2014. Buyer Beware. There is lots of 1st gen camaro's for sell on Mecum's auction, plus this gem.... Shocked

Waste of a 4th gen and 1st gen sheetmetal.

As for the Carolina Blue car in the beginning I have my doubts the car was ever ordered with crossram or JL8..
315  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 02, 2014, 09:41:59 AM
Yes, My car was ordered without stripes. It's marked on the build sheet as: (Stripes to be deleted). It also has the special paint code (-) on the trim tag.

This is true for late 68 & 9.

67 would have been 0-0 & early 68 would have been Z-Z

http://camaros.org/numbers.shtml#CowlTag


Scroll down till you get to - Cowl Tag Examples for Special Paint


Do you have a pic of tag? I have a 67RSSS that is said to be a factory bb delete.
Looking into a little more verification.

Just post a pic of your trim tag and we will be able to help you.
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