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Original Cars and Details / Re: 68 L78 Rallye Green
« on: Today at 01:55:30 PM »
After about 6 months of hibernation I decided to get ole green out to stretch its legs.  Yeah I know another boring idling video. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi2UBCktY_4

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General Discussion / Re: Billboard Z
« on: December 16, 2017, 01:05:23 PM »
Also looks like it might be an early car with the 68 spoiler unless its an optical illusion..

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Originality / Re: Silver paint on 68 SS hood ornaments/louvers
« on: December 16, 2017, 01:04:14 PM »
You cant go by NOS parts vs assembly line ones.  This is why I said previously more data needs to be collected on this subject and quiet possibly never get 100% confirmation much like the semi vs gloss b/o tail panels.  Never ending discussion on person's opinions and observations.

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Originality / Re: Silver paint on 68 SS hood ornaments/louvers
« on: December 15, 2017, 08:25:11 PM »
I can not say with 100% certainty that all floors were painted but my belief is that they are.  Now as the vertical portion of the stacks would be painted after mid year as all 69's had the louvers painted from my observations.  You are giving me too much credit as this is a collective thing where we all use data points to help collect information and then make educated assumptions/guesstimates.  Contrary to some (sarcasm), I am definitely not a "know-it-all"  but I have a passion for the knowledge and am always learning.  Having to be wrong from time to time is part of the process.     

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Originality / Re: Silver paint on 68 SS hood ornaments/louvers
« on: December 15, 2017, 07:16:28 PM »
Sorry Allen, as of right now there is no concrete info IMHO on when 68 louvers had the vertical sides of the stacks painted.  I feel confident that all had the floors of the louvers painted.  Just not certain on when the change happened.  And yes those are my pics and yes the green car does not have paint on the vertical sides of the louvers.  I think at this point it would be considered acceptable to have them either way.  IF IT WERE ME..  I would make an educated guess to say mid year would be the change.  But that is purely an opinion.

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Originality / Re: Original door mirror fame
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:00:13 PM »
Chick this probably doesnít help much but of the samples I have all of the originals have the seam.  Now I do have one that is a 4 of 74 and itís seam is VERY faint.  I can post pics later but doubt itíll help.

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 13, 2017, 08:28:38 PM »
Lighten up Dave.  Damn

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Originality / Re: Trunk decal for posi traction
« on: December 13, 2017, 08:29:49 PM »
This might help and is constructive..  Don makes really nice decals.


http://www.angelfire.com/rock/69ss/decals11.html

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 13, 2017, 01:44:17 PM »

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Originality / Re: 1967 RS/SS black paint on rear tail light panel.
« on: December 12, 2017, 12:51:53 PM »
Like it or not Philip's comment in the sYc thread makes the most sense.  Temp, humidity, and operator are the key factors in how the paint would lay and how much it would shine. 

Quote from: 70 copo
Again I am pretty protective of the book research but again for the sake of giving you a definitive answer here is a Photo excerpt from the book "Echoes of Norwood" © 2013 Philip Borris and some additional non published research that was not put in the book (but perhaps I should have?)

The back panel paint was applied on the line between ovens 2 and 3.  The paint was the same paint used on the rockers.  The gloss difference was a technical result of the temperature differences within the last reflow oven.  The first being where the upper portions of the body were exposed to more consistent heat than the rockers and the reflow process was always more glossy in those areas; If there was a temperature difference in plant say a summer day- the body was already hot going into the oven - warm to the touch- as opposed to a winter day where the body would be cool to the touch.  All of these factors played into the final reflow outcome.  Cars built in cooler conditions in plant probably were less prone to high gloss where cars that cycled into the oven on a hot day had better and more consistent reflow due to the oven getting a fairly warm body to start with..


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It is my hope that this will put this issue to bed once and for all. 

The above is an excerpt of an interview from 6 years ago from the paint Department supervisor who was actually there and can prove he was there.   
His name appears on the 1969 personnel listing at Norwood as a Fisher Body employee in paint.   In addition He supervised the man in the picture below.


My Guess...

Cars built in the summer =glossy
Cars built in the winter = less glossy
Spring and Fall <span style=split the gloss

Merry Christmas!!  Enjoy.

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General Discussion / Re: Sweet looking 69 BB car for sale
« on: December 10, 2017, 01:56:29 PM »
They are only original once.  After restoration they become "cookie cutter" 98% of the time.

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Originality / Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
« on: December 08, 2017, 08:32:15 PM »
Holy buckets Darrell, that is a huge pic! 


Not me.  I just copied and pasted.



Allen, I do not know of anything on his car that isnt original.  That was just my observation.  Not bad mouthing his car as its a better specimen on originality than anything I have just noticed the well moldings were for an RS.  Right or wrong its still an amazing car.


And thank you for the comment.  I'm kinda partial to the car.   :)

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Originality / Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
« on: December 08, 2017, 07:34:46 PM »
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Some NON RS cars have the short version ( look at Darrel Cook's Rally Green L78 in the original cars section).
Allen


Allen look at the thread again.  He did not originally order the car with the Z21 package.





Also you can not add Rinsor's 68 to the list either as it too was a non Z21 option car but had the wheel well molding added after.




Dave's 68 Z with Z21 option.




Skips RS Z




As for the rest of the conversation..  I'm staying out of it.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 Z28 help before purchase
« on: December 05, 2017, 07:55:26 PM »
Trim & vin tags are legit.  Engine not original to car.  Verify trans and diff.  That would be more important at this point being the engine isn't adding value to the car.  Also check hidden vins just for piece of mind if able; although I do not believe the tags have been tampered with.

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General Discussion / Re: Laugh of the day!
« on: November 28, 2017, 04:24:37 PM »
Bring them to nashville in feb and Ill get them out of your way.

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