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901  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: $50k to spend on a Camaro. Which one would you pick this month on: October 04, 2012, 09:09:41 AM
Quote from the seller; The engine block had to be decked because of a mechanical issue and the engine code and vin were re-stamped on the block just as it came from the factory.

So what’s the deal with this engine guys? The sellers quote states the engine was re-stamped after the fact…re-stamped as it came from the factory. I had assumed this car was legit and I’m beginning to think otherwise. Is it or is it not a re-stamped block from the factory? Anything about this car in CRG’s archives’? If not, I'll have to side with Daniel on this one...


Here is how I interpreted it after reading it once....
The engine block had to be decked because of a mechanical issue... as it states to fix a problem. I don't believe it means at the factory because there is no way for us to know what happened back then to this block, if anything.
...and the engine code and vin were re-stamped on the block just as it came from the factory this clearly tells me the stamps are redone to be what the factory fonts looked like and correct codes. I admire the seller for being up front with this info. Gents; IMHO think too much is being read into this description.

 Personally if I had $50K to spend and I wanted a Z but could not afford the high price of one with the original engine (and tranny) and it had a correct period dated block and other parts and properly restamped and the car itself was real, then I would pay the lower fair price for that. To me, it's not to cheat the nexy guy because I don't resell my cars and if I did I would make it clear the block was restored including the stamps because I know the legal ramifications that can happen otherwise. Why would I accept a restamped? We all have our own reasons but for me It would be my attempt to own a piece of history restored a close to as it existed back then (may as roll in the overspray, dated plug wires, glass hose clamps...etc). That's just me.

902  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Who mixes code Y Butternut Yellow in a good quality Base coat? on: October 03, 2012, 09:58:20 PM
  That's interesting. I had a gallon of DBC butternut yellow mixed at my PPG dealer (Albert Kemperle) in June. I'm using the Deltron line for my entire paint job.
The sales guy said he had to make a call to their 'librarian' (if memory servers me correct, that was the name he stated) to get the mixing ratios for that color in DBC.
It's not applied to the car yet but I put a dab of paint on the car and it looks exact. Cost was $337 for the gallon.

903  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 Z - number bona fides on: October 02, 2012, 06:26:15 PM
   The VIN numbers spacing looks different between the engine and transmission.

904  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What is the best after market sheet metal? on: October 02, 2012, 08:26:41 AM
After a couple of rounds of the Licensed By GM I quit buying any of it. All of it was  junk.

OER is the perfect example of GM licensed junk that's made offshore as cheaply as possible..
 After reviewing the different user experiences with the different brands, I went with AMD because of the seemingly better fit and thicker metal gauge. I called AMD yesterday to order a door skin and had questioned what the difference was between the same part number, but one has an 'X' in it. I spoke to a gentleman who told me the parts without the 'X' are made with their owned tooling and was of better quality vs. the X. When asked if they were made here he said both parts are made over seas. The price was slightly higher by $10. I should get it this week and likely hang it this weekend so I'll post my results to share when done.
  As for made over seas, until we have another world war upon us to reverse the trend, I'm afraid the business generation of greed will continue with the shameful practice of moving jobs off shore.

905  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / 1969 Z on cars-on-line on: October 01, 2012, 07:20:35 AM
Not to thread jack but what about this....
Rear end was built a week after the car?  05A build date with a BUO513G2 rear end.  That dog won't hunt.

I believe the trim tag date is when the body was started and that could have been the end of the first week. So, I guess could be possible unless someone with access to the CRG DB can get an approximation of those date ranges of trim tag, rear dates (for that particular gear ratio).

906  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Brake Booster date code on: September 18, 2012, 10:14:50 AM
 I see your car is a '69 but if it helps, my 67 LOS 4B still has the original 8515 booster dated 82.
Give Steve at a call. He has some intersting findings on booster dates and has likely seen more boosters than anyone here.

907  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Exhaust for '67 2 bbl single exhaust on: September 15, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
  Most muffler shops can custom bend a system. I would recommend to get aluminized pipes for longevity.

908  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Ouch! One less '69 on: September 14, 2012, 09:09:49 AM
  One less '69 Camaro:

Looking at the Yenko Nova, I wonder if that was a clone or a die-hard racer using a real Yenko car for what it was build for.
Anyhow...I'll only image in my mind what my cars can do in the 1/4 mile and save the real risks and costs to someone else  Grin

909  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 brake calipers on: September 10, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
 It looks soooo good when the parts are new or restored. Makes you not want to drive it now, doesn't it?

910  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 Hold Off valve finish on: September 09, 2012, 09:31:32 PM
  Interesting to see your bracket also has a groove in it  like mine on both cars. This is absent in the repos. I also noticed your bolt is black compared to the repos zinc.
I removed the one on my survivor as well as examining the original one on the convertible I am restoring and they both are clearly black phosphate.
So much for the repos!
  I'll likely keep the body raw cast (it cleaned up great with glass beading) and coat with RPM to preserve it and gray phosphate the cap.
Compared to the repos, there's a lot of differences.

Thanks again for all the replies.

911  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 Hold Off valve finish on: September 08, 2012, 09:17:40 PM
Hi George,

  Thanks for the input. That is good to know and I see it extends into 69!
Question, will you be finishing the outside main body...cast or black?

Thanks again,
912  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What is the best after market sheet metal? on: September 07, 2012, 06:49:19 PM

 Aside from quarters which have more involved contours and bends, have you used any of these brand door skins? I'm looking to replace a skin and being it's basically a flat surface with miniman bends I would hope the repos would fit nice.

913  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 Hold Off valve finish on: September 07, 2012, 05:31:18 PM
Hi Scott,

  I have the solutions for gray parkerizing. I soda blasted the part on the outside and it cleaned up really nice. I'll parkerize it to restore it to its original finish. The main body I may paint black or leave it and cover it with RPM. My guess is the cast parts may or may not have been painted. I wish I could look back 45 years to see for sure. So much for the repos as they can be misleading in what is supposed to be correct.

914  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Freeing frozen piston in master cylinder on: September 07, 2012, 12:10:47 PM
 Did you remove the retention screw from the floor on the inside?
915  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 67 Hold Off valve finish on: September 06, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
  I received the rebuild kit posted here last week from Muscle Car Research and upon cleaning the original hold off valve parts I noticed the round cover finish looks to be a gray phosphate type of finish. When dry it looks like the gray finish on my 45 ACP. In the images below you can see the interior gray finish as well as its extension into the flat machined edge. On the exterior you can clearly see the remaining gray finish in the machine mark rings. This leads me to believe the cover did in fact have a gray phosphate finish, at least in 67. I see many repro hold-offs and the cover cap is a gold cadmium color. Maybe that was later in 68-69 but this doesn't seem the case for '67. I have researched the CRG archives but can not find a definitive answer as to what the finish should be though I have seen another thread where another person with an early 68 Z had the same interior finish. Many say it was a bright zinc to gold finish. I'll be bringing pictures to shows in case the judging questions it.
  Any other 67 or early 68 owners see the same on your hold-offs? If you haven't opened yours up yet, you  may want to do it. It is a surprise of the amount of brown crud that develops inside though the outside looks clean.
Thanks to Muscle Car Research LLC for the fast delivery and excellent price!

Thank you,
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