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826  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 67 NOR body (rear) seam sealer color verification on: July 14, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
  I'm restoring my 5B NOR convertible and completed the underbody finish. The next stage is to apply the seam sealer but I wanted to verify which color is correct for 67 NOR Camaros.
I examined my 67 LOS 4B survivor and see the sealer color is black but looking at original sealer (small sample taken and split to see under the spatter paint) in the NOR trunk I see it is beige.
I am assuming the person applying the sealer to the trunk used the same gun to apply underneath so the color should be the same.
  When I restored the car back in the 80's I replaced a lot of sheet metal so the original sealer was removed and replaced with the Eastwood product and painted black. Following the assembly article the sealer was applied after the body was primed but before the paint was applied so this time I'm going to let the sealer stay unpainted and let whatever overspray lands on it, stay. That should replicate what it looked like back in 67.
 The seams I am interested in are in the rear undercarriage at the locations where the 1/4 drop downs and rear wheel tub meet...to along the bottom of the drop down and 1/4's meet....up to where the drop down meets the rear valance (the curved seam).
 I have a tube of 3M 8505 beige that looks to be an exact match to the trunk sealer color. If any owners of NOR built 67's can confirm the color I would appreciate it very much.

Thank you,
Mike
827  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Radius rod color on: July 14, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
Hi MO,

 That picture looks like a square radius bar on a round radius bar bracket.  Huh
But, I'm inclined to say black too. When I restored my car in the 80's I was anal (still am  Cheesy ) about maintaining the correct finish so the bar was painted black. My other survivor '67 with the round rod has signs of black paint too so I guess the same manufacturer made that (square and round) and so used the same color.

Thanks!
Mike
828  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Radiator painting on: July 14, 2012, 10:53:16 AM
 I used the high heat gloss paint by Rust-Oleum with good success.

Mike
829  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clutch grind (reverse) on: July 14, 2012, 10:50:17 AM
 I use the forward first then shift into reverse method all the time especially in colder months.

   When I set the adjustment rod I do it with the return spring off and rock the bellhousing arm back and forth until I can hear a 'tap' which is the sound of the throwout bearing hitting the pressure plate fingers.
That way I know for sure there is some free play and no contact of the throwout bearing/pressure plate fingers under normal operation. This manual feel works for me instead of adjusting for pedal play which has led to premature throwout failure prior.

Mike
830  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Another 'survivor' on: July 14, 2012, 08:53:25 AM
  Came across this today and thought you may find it interesting as it lists the owner and car both as 'survivors'.
http://v8tvshow.com/content/view/860/97/

(Though the owner mentioned the Tet Offensive in 1967, it was actually in late Jan 1968)

Mike
831  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Radius rod color on: July 13, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
No takers? Surely someone out there must have seen an original square radius rod finish or own one possibly?

Thanks!
Mike
832  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Looking for another decal project to consider on: July 12, 2012, 08:03:04 PM
 I have spoken to the folks at ECS a while back and they say their tags are correct in every detail and created from known tags.
 Not sure of the paper stock though (I never asked them).
http://ecsautomotive.com/

Mike
833  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Radius rod color on: July 11, 2012, 09:13:20 PM
 I searched the CRG archives and didn't find the answer. What is the color of the 67 square radius rod?
The MacNeish Book specs state 30-60% black but I have seen real Chevy NOS ones that look gray and even the CRF article shows gray examples as well.
I painted mine black in the 80's and don't remember seeing any colors then as it had surface rust.
Looking at my 67 L35 with the round bar, that appears to have some traces of black paint still.

Thank you,
Mike
834  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: tag on coil spring. on: July 10, 2012, 07:54:44 PM
I notice many restorations have the coil spring tags right there where everybody can see them. On my last '69 Z they were on the ends of the springs, out of sight inside the frame. I have never seen a coil spring tag in a vintage chassis photo.
That's how it is on my original 67...the tag is just up inside the chassis and out of sight unless you look up into that cavity.

Mike
835  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Speedo cable Clips on: July 10, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
 I just checked and found my 67 NOR 05B w/4 speed Muncie has only 2 holes drilled with 2 clips. One at the firewall (like your picture) and the other near the tranny.

Mike
836  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro Natiionals @ Frederick Fairgrounds 2012 on: July 10, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
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Don't make your undercarriage gray though.  Jerry's book (and every restored Concours car I saw at the Nationals) has "30-percent gloss black paint".

I have researched this topic deeply and have seen so many different original underbody photos. Despite what the book states, if a car has a gray underbody, then so be it. I don't think anyone is in a position to be the final authority on what took place over 40 years ago if empirical evidence clearly shows that there have been variations seen frequently as if often the case when work is done by a manual process. Sure, the majority may have been black but, IMHO, if you have gray sections too then by all means restore it that way instead of what a book states is correct.

Mike
837  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro Natiionals @ Frederick Fairgrounds 2012 on: July 09, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
...... I just wish there was a judging manual/summary of some sort similar to NCRS. ......
I'm with you, Chick, for this request too. I found a copy of the NCRS and am using that as a guideline on my current 67 restoration.
It seems easy enough to place a copy of the Camaro judging sheet guidelines on PDF and post it here. Not sure why that doesn't happen. What's the big secret? It can only help a restorer maximize their work efforts and minimize redo's.

Mike
838  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 mono springs use decals? on: July 08, 2012, 01:19:36 AM
MO,

  Which plant for those cars?

Thanks,
Mike
839  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 spring label colors? on: July 06, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
 I wonder if there was any real significance to the paper colors used or was it just a random selection.   Huh
I know the fonts on many of the repos are not 100% correct but they sure are close enough. 

Mike
840  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Black Oxide - Bolt Refinish on: July 05, 2012, 08:27:11 PM
Hi Steve,
  
 I use a kit I bought in 1986 from Birchwood Casey for room temp oxide treating.
In it contains the rust remover, pre-dip cleaner and the black oxide solution and a can of Dri-Touch oil.
I still have solutions from that kit today and use it for spot treating bolts. Today there are so many more kits available.
 The trick to longevity is once the parts are treated and oiled initially you have to apply an oil to it periodically to maintain the rust preventative.
I use the Dri-Touch oil which goes on wet and dries to a film that provides the rust prevention. I apply it about 3 times a year with a small model type paint brush (I also apply to other parts too such as carb pieces and brake/fuel lines).
By itself black oxide offers no rust prevention but does provide a base for oil to bind to. The kits are the way to go for convenience and cost savings.

Mike
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