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1051  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: "ML" Engine Stamp.. on: February 17, 2012, 05:02:19 PM
Hi Steve,

4. "M" font incorrect. Others too?

I'm not sure if the M is wrong though in the posted picture I agree it just doesn't look right.
I have seen 3 types of M fonts on BB pads. Some with the middle extended to the bottom and others 1/2 way down.
The 3rd is what visually looks like a an ever so slightly wider character width size for both type of M's.
My feeling is that the supplier of the font stamps may vary?

The 8 digit engine stamp is a dead give away.
Ask the seller to come to this group to try to justify the originality or the buyer to warn him/her.

My hats off to you for alerting the potential buyer of this fake!

Mike
1052  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 67 BB vacuum advance hose stripe color? on: February 17, 2012, 03:09:38 PM
 In looking to freshen up my 67 L35 engine compartment I cleaned some hoses including the vacuum advance hose with soap and water.
What I thought was a dirty white stripe is actually a red stripe. In the resto parts catalogs I see only a white stripe
being advertised as a correct replacement. I uploaded 2 images of the stripe and the opposite side with what looks like the correct hose rib lines.
Does anyone have an original hose to compare colors? This was on the car when I bought it 30+ years ago.

Thanks,
Mike
1053  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: "ML" Engine Stamp.. on: February 17, 2012, 09:54:08 AM
This is fun in a way...  Cheesy
Here is another one when digging deeper...
The VIN range for this car is around August 1969 per CRG
The block assembly date of 0101 (what the heck is that number 7 doing here!?) is Jan 1969. IMO, way too early for any COPO car.

But hey....afterall it is a 'number matching' car!
Then again, I have 'matching' features of Tom Cruise...you have seen it before....2 eyes, 2 ears, 1 nose and mouth.  Grin

Mike
1054  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: "ML" Engine Stamp.. on: February 17, 2012, 08:44:51 AM
 I'm not too up on 1969 Camaro's so I can't find 10 things  Grin  but what little I did find in the few minutes before heading to work are:
Block casting is a 427 ci. On CRG a 427 would be a COPO
The ML would indicate a COPO 9560 ZL1 aluminum engine vs. a COPO 9561 iron block. This block is iron
I'm guessing that the ZL-1 block should be 3946052?
The VIN does not appear on the CRG COPO listing
The engine code has a tilted numeric 1 (the second in the sequence)
The engine code is using numeric 1 in place of the letter I (but that may be OK if I and 1's are used interchangeably)
The engine code has 8 characters instead of the 7 I normally see on BB pads
Were ZL1 engines supposed to painted black?

That's all I can quickly come up with.
Gotta head to work!
Mike
1055  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Battery cables 67 V8 with AC on: February 16, 2012, 10:04:13 PM
Hi Bob,

Not sure if this helps, but I checked my 67 LOS w/L35 (no AC of course) that still has the original cables and the P/N are:
6289139 ZM for +
2987212 YP for -

Mike
1056  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Bucket Seat Back teather cable on: February 15, 2012, 06:53:28 PM
 I just checked both my '67 Camaros and found the following:
NOR 5B 760Z standard black interior (restored interior but used same cable) - gray cable coating and gray heat shrink ends
LOS 4B 760Z standard black interior (original survivor interior) - black cable coating and black heat shrink ends
Neither car has a cable on the drivers seat.
I think it may be safe to assume there were multiple colors.

Mike
1057  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: "Hot Slot" equipped cast iron intake manifold modifications.. on: February 14, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
 I've read that the metal plate against the throttle base doesn't seal good in some situation when there is a slight warp in the baseplate.
I've been using the gasket-metal-gasket stack for years with success (along with plugged slot holes).
The extra ~.030" from the second gasket made no difference in the choke function at all.


Mike
1058  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 4K pics on: February 14, 2012, 02:13:31 PM
Hi Ed,

  The hyperlink to the steering wheel article is what I had read months ago. It sure puts to rest some doubts I have had about mine and also people telling me that I should have the SS cap when in fact I had the standard cap for the 30+ years I have owned both cars. The pin striping rolled into the RS package makes sense now (I wasn't aware of that fact). This is what I have on my cars.

Thanks,
Mike
1059  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 4K pics on: February 13, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
 Interesting...I wasn't aware there was a code on the cowl tag for pin striping  Huh . My 67 LOS car (4B) has the original paint and striping but I don't remember seeing any code for it. Unless maybe it's part of another option package?

Mike
1060  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: L78 engine stamps on: February 13, 2012, 09:05:51 PM
  Just curious..... How is the car being advertised? Original motor or restored to original?

Mike
1061  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 4K pics on: February 13, 2012, 08:53:51 PM
Lovely car!    Smiley
 I have 2 questions though:
1 - Is the SS horn cap an aftermarket? I thought there were no 'SS' only caps for 67 BB cars. Both my 67 L35's have the standard Camaro cap (w/standard interior).
2- Did you add the lift brackets? I still can't get a clear answer if BB Camaro's had lift brackets in '67 (I know small blocks didn't use them yet) though I know in '68 it was more common.

Are you using any zinc oil additives?

Mike
1062  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 Cowl tags.. Real?? on: February 11, 2012, 09:13:15 PM
Thanks Mark,

   Like I said, I'm no expert but I sure was perplexed. I was hoping someone would post a similar example to compare. This second example is interesting indeed. That number 3 sure stands out compared to the others, but if that is the way it can look then so it is.
I learned something new today at CRG for the DZ engine. This reminded me of the letter M on big block engines used for the engine code. I have seen 3 different font styles and sizes.

Mike
1063  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 2 piece brake line install (front to rear) on: February 11, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
 Oh...I see how you are doing it. Yea, there's work involved if everything is already assembled.
I really can't offer much in that case other than..have patience!

Mike
1064  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 2 piece brake line install (front to rear) on: February 11, 2012, 12:42:09 PM
 What problem are you having? If the lines are shaped correctly and with the correct ends installed , it should assemble with no problems.

Mike
1065  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 Cowl tags.. Real?? on: February 10, 2012, 03:47:36 PM

There were several different fonts, as the individual character dies were purchased from several different suppliers and mixed together in the bins. What matters more is the spacing from the centerline of each character to the centerline of the adjacent characters; the rectangular shanks of each die were the same size, regardless of which supplier made the dies, so the centerline spacing will be essentially the same with the dies installed in the gang holder. That's just one of many pad stamp characteristics to evaluate.

That's my point, John, and I agree letters and like numbers get mixed up. I've seen that with BB stamps. In this case the number 3 is larger than the rest by the thickness of the that numbers outline. Each font would be very close in width at their widest point (except the number 1 of course) because, as you said, each characters base is the same size and the centerlines in respect to the individual characters are spaced evenly. The number 3 stands out more and the letter O slightly wider than the rest compared to the V04_ _ D Z so that makes me think the base size of that 3 stamp is larger. Again, I'm no expert but if I were looking at this car and knowing what I've learned from this group the short time I have been here, I would question that number 3.

Mike

Mike
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