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1021  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BJ Auction - 67 RS went for $80k on: January 22, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
   I like to see their facial expressions afterwards when signing for the vehicle.
Some look very ecstatic about their purchases   Cheesy while others have that bewildered ‘What did I just do’ look  Huh . You know the kind...like waking up with a hang over and you say to yourself 'oh my...how much did I spend last night'?  I guess the atmosphere (cameras, drinks and a little vanity) is setup like that purposely. Sort of like the comps, gambling tables and atmosphere at Atlantic City. Otherwise they show some beautiful cars.
 On another note considering the short review time for a potential buyer to look a car over I wonder how many people bid on these cars with little or no knowledge and if they are real or fake (in the cases of authentic) and what recourse, if any, they would have if the latter was discovered at a later time.

Mike

1022  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Catch & Plate Fasteners on: January 21, 2012, 09:01:03 PM
Hi Marty,

  I almost knocked myself out! Moving the seat forward to look at the rear bolts and unhooking and pushing the seat back forward against the steering wheel, I let go when I got down to look at the bolts and 'bang'! The metal seat back came down hard  Shocked

   I check my NOR car and have a mixture of the SEMS ( 6 out of 8 ) bolt you show and also another marking shown in the attached picture. The picture shows two 'L's opposite and flipped to each other and the outer 'C' seems to have a hook on the top end.
  The LOS car has all 8 the same and that is the same style you show but the head markings look like the letters 'FH' surrounded by a circle made up of 2 fine lines. The letters are faint though.

Mike
1023  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Is this the oil pressure line hole? on: January 20, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
Early 67's with U17 had a 2 pc. oil line with a bulkhead connector on the firewall. Was changed to a 1pc. line and rubber plug as shown around 05 or 06
of 67.
Bob

I checked my NOR 67 with a trim tag date of 5B and the oil line is a 1 piece unit using the rubber grommet.

Mike
1024  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Catch & Plate Fasteners on: January 20, 2012, 08:21:26 PM
Hey...almost as fun as collecting coins.  Wink

 I'll second that!

Mike
1025  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Catch & Plate Fasteners on: January 20, 2012, 12:18:13 AM
Hi Chick,

  I can take a picture of the 'F' bolt from the original 67 LOS car to show the weathered age and that should help prove that period usage. The restored NOR car was completed in 1986 (took 4 years) and I don't think there were any reproducer of bolts at that time  Wink and the 'F' bolts pictured here were restored using black oxide chemicals back then. They stayed well preserved because I use to apply oil twice a year to each bolt head for many years after I stopped showing the car. These aren't today's repos and I'm sure the kits today copied these original patterns.
 The survivor 67 LOS car is completely original , including bolts, with the exception of REAL dated 1974 plug wires (and plugs likely) on the car when I bought it in 1980.

 This whole topic sounds like a good research project. I'm sure a data base can be compiled and bolt marking patters quickly established and even narrow down period correct markings if the sample size is large enough. Tonight I thought of documenting each bolt marking to the manuals part number as an ad-hoc winter project.

Mike
1026  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Catch & Plate Fasteners on: January 19, 2012, 08:03:16 PM
Hi Marty,

 I looked over both my 67's tonight and could not find the head marking you show in the original picture. Maybe it was a replacement kit as you suspect?
I did fine another type of marking but more for the bolts used to secure the hood to hinges (4), hinges to fender (4)  and fender to firewall (4)

The 67NOR-hood marking (I'll call 'F')  is seen on all hood to hinge (4), hinge to fender (4) and 2 out of 4 fender to firewall. The remaining 2 have the 3 lines with a B&H imprint.
The cocktail shakers use the same 'F' markings as well. I also found the 'anchor' used on the battery hold down bracket though a different bolt shape

The 67LOS-hood is the 'anchor' type for all 4 hood to hinge bolts. The 'anchor' is also used for the hinge to fender (4) and 'F' bolt for the 4 fender to firewall. This is a hardtop so no cocktail shakers. Interesting enough is the 'F' and 'anchor' bolts appears to be used at both plants. The battery hold down bolt is not readable due to battery acid damage.
 If I can be of any help please let me know.

Mike
1027  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BJ Auction - 67 RS went for $80k on: January 19, 2012, 06:28:38 PM
 My restored 67 SS conv has this attractive color combo.

 Hmmm...must be a rare radio in that too.
Sometimes I wonder how many times the so called *winning* buyer is actually a rep of BJ that is bidding to force the price up artificially but in some cases not having a real legit buyer topping it to take it away. Just an observation.

Mike
1028  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Alt. Pulley 3844100 on: January 18, 2012, 10:36:21 PM
 Do you know the size of it? I have a NOS pully that *may* be it.
A quick measurement is 3.2"
Mike
1029  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Catch & Plate Fasteners on: January 18, 2012, 10:18:49 PM
Hi Marty,

  I have the original car on a lift so I have to climb up to look at it. I don't mind though.
I cleaned the head on the LOS car and the markings are RBW in a semi cross hair. Interesting enough is that these exact RBW markings are on the other same size bolts used in the engine bay including the battery tray, the passenger side of the radiator mounting bracket, fender braces, horn mounting / hood strike assembly and the two front fender to inner tub bolts (5 on each side). BUT.....these bolts (not including the 4 hood catch in question) have a flat side on the inner and outer compared to the flat outer roud inner shape of the 4 catch bolts (see image of the LOS shroud bolt for the flat inner/outer).
 I'm on a roll....looking at the NOR car, same thing...same 'C' in a semi cross hair head markings used for the hood catch BUT the other bolts mentioned above in the engine bay and fender are exactly as the shroud bolt (see NOR shroud image), flat sides outer and roundish inner. The one exception are 2 fender to inner tub bolts which are flat inside and out and have only the letter 'E' as a marking.
  I suspect the fastener suppliers *may* be near the same geographic region as the assembly plants hence the difference markings. Just a guess.
I may have supplied more info than asked but I found this toipc interesting. Maybe head markings would be a good secondary topic.

Mike
1030  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Catch & Plate Fasteners on: January 18, 2012, 06:35:01 PM
I attached 2 images of the hood catch bolts. One is from a 67 (5B) NOR restored in the mid 80's and one is from an unrestored original 67 (4B) LOS car. The NOR hardware hasn't been 'oiled' in 14 years now.
The restored NOR car had all the hardware go back to each component it was used to mount during the restore process. I checked and found most of the bolts the same size within the engine bay had the same head markings as the hood catch bolts in each car.

Mike
1031  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 1967 350 Oil Filter: Canister vs. Spin-On on: January 18, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
I've been using the Wix 51143 canister filters on my 396's and the square O-rings come out with no problems with a slight tug.
I recommend to invest in a set of steel dental type of 'picks' you can buy up at any auto parts store.
These come in handy when having to reach up in the cavity to hook and tug on the o-ring to free it.

Mike
1032  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Possible Purchase on: January 13, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
 Do the pictures show the tank codes on each side of the radiator?
Not that it may make a difference but every little piece of info contributes to the overall picture.

Mike
1033  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Possible Purchase on: January 12, 2012, 06:23:31 PM
 Maybe the glove box door was changed in the past?
I say this because the convertible I restored in the mid 80's had a huge dent in the glove box door so I replaced it with one from a 350 Camaro
at a junk yard (same interior color). I knew the tire sticker was wrong for a 396 but I used it anyway until recently when a 396 sticker was made.

Mike
1034  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Adjusting breaker points? on: January 08, 2012, 09:45:06 PM
 If you are going to maintain a Kettering inigtion then you should invest in an inductive type of timing light and dwell meter. Replacing the points will change the timing.

Mike
1035  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ground Strap Question on: January 08, 2012, 02:06:57 PM
 That's interesting...I would have sworn Ed stated there were 4 which is why I checked my cars.
Ed, did you re-edit your reply by chance?

Mike
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