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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: August 18, 2020, 01:45:07 PM »

Oh - and this rather quick...

For review it appears that the entire GMP '67-'69 Camaro range comes through with either '69 Standard or alternately, '69 Deluxe interior trim.  Oddly enough, the GMP '69 Penske Donohue and Bucknam releases are fitted with the Deluxe trim even as GMP had tooled up the appropriate Standard trim level panels!

In a world without limits I'd design and perhaps 3D-print '67 Standard interior trim panels, or perhaps work up suitable replacements for careful use of cut up architectural plastic sheet and thin bar stock, although here I've cheated a bit.  Instead a set of '69 Standard interior panels here have been overpainted to disguise the existence of the year-specific trim, while a small length of plastic has been added to each panel to suggest '67 Standard spec.   



...the faux '67 Standard panels are seen above, while below are a set of unmodified '69 Standard trim level panels taken from a GMP '67 Penske Donohue Camaro release - go figure. 



...with the doors on, the mildly revised interior trim panels on oblique view.  Small photo-etched door lock cylinders now make an appearance.


Sadly I could go no thinner on the U-channel plastic stock options given this was the smallest material I could find, hence I opted to mask the horizontal trim situated higher up on each panel somewhat wider to disguise things.  When installed, everything pretty much vanishes from sight and isn't terrifically obvious, although I do hope it's an improvement.  Thanks again...

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: August 18, 2020, 01:19:12 PM »

Thanks for the kind continuing notice everyone...

Moving along, the GMP '67-'69 Trans-Am Camaro range are each fitted what would presumably be a Harrison aluminum radiator set back somewhat from the radiator support, with structure afforded to shift matters rearward.  For review of period photos, this appears a somewhat later development, hence a bit of trimming and parts substitution will be done to backdate things. 



Andrew Keller image of the topic underhood at Marlboro '67 then...



...while here I've opted to cut the fill panel detail that would otherwise seal the gap between the radiator support and header panel looking forward, while a Lane/Exact Detail '68 Firebird 400 H.O. affords a replacement radiator that appears more appropriate.  A brass mesh debris screen will be added forward of the radiator cut out on the support, while the otherwise hidden oil cooler installation should become visible and will likely be plumbed. 



Although aspects of the engine and transmission can be disassembled to facilitate paintwork, much of it can only be masked with difficulty.  Seen above are a few minor additions and guesses, with Eastwood's 1:1 restoration line of spray paints being tapped for refinishing the transmission case in particular.  Alumi-Blast is a rather heavy metallic aerosol paint intended to reproduce the look of cast aluminum, and here in 1:18th scale it basically works.  Silly Putty was used to mask many an irregular surface to yield a tight and precise cut line, while at present I'm hesitating to scratch build a scattershield even as I've painted the stock bellhousing black to suggest something has been substituted in.  Finally, and almost as a lark, driveshift color i.d. bands were added in a rough sense to lend modest visual interest.  Kind thanks for your review of this project update.


Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: August 14, 2020, 03:40:23 PM »

Greetings,

Upon the unexpected receipt of a pair of GMP '67 Penske #16 Geo. Follmer body shells from ijb40/Oldtimer (with very kind thanks expressed! M.K.), here I've opted to replace my zinc rash-impacted original with the best panels on hand.  Although discreet, an effort was made to disassemble and carefully mask the shell to overpaint all areas hitherto finished in light gray in Tamiya TS-15 Blue lacquer to match the body hue.  These areas would include the undersurfaces of the roof and A-pillars, all the door jambs and the trunk walls besides.  New decals were ordered, while one hood stripe decal was removed and recycled for use on the replacement shell given I misjudged how a new image ought to have been trimmed. 



This would be the new brass tube exhaust dumps in-place and on the chassis.  These were painted a pale dusty yellow as were the headers...



Although the inner door structure still required paint when this photo was taken, here the better shell w/decals is seen.  Microscale Liquid Decal Film was used to add a bit of stick to the back of the recycled waterslide decal that is surprisingly holding fast...



With the hood up, painted black beneath and scrubbed clean of overspray on the top side.  Mercifully the hood scissor hinge paint hasn't scrubbed off for the actual use of such...



With the tail panel stripes growing, albeit the valence panel has been removed and requires repair before being copied in resin to afford refinish options and latitude for other possible modifications.  Thanks for your review of this scale project update.

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: August 02, 2020, 03:08:41 PM »

Thanks Jon again for all you have done...

Happily the chassis and how it is specifically screwed together is known for long experience, hence disassembly wasn't too much of a challenge.  Here the chassis casting, front subframe and other parts have been refinished consistent with making the model appear as something production-based prior to Penske Racing's practice of finishing most surfaces in gray paint.  Where's the problem on the car?  I dunno - I can't SEE the problem!

It's a bit underwhelming to notice this or that assembly vanish into the darkness given the lack of contrast between assemblies, although some things tried in recent days are helping the overall look of things.  Seen will be work to create better exhaust dumps for use of 5/32nd or 3.97 mm brass tube in combination with locating pins off the back of each header collector fashioned from 1/8" or 3.2 mm plastic rod sanded down to ensure a tight fit.  Another set of  the dumps was bent up for eventual use on my '68 Penske Camaro consistent with scattered finish work necessary to square away my GMP Penske Camaro trio.



Notice how the exhaust dumps angle up a bit near the rocker panels just prior to exiting.  I would try to cut each dump off at the appropriate angle which seemed different than the more or less flush cut seen across earlier events that season.  I don't see any clips holding the dumps in-place here, hence what was worked up has to be stiff enough not to strictly require such. 

Even in the wake of review of the '67 SCCA General Competition Rules, I'm not sure Penske used a standard stamped steel fuel tank or a fuel cell.  Perhaps they doubled up higher capacity halves in the style of the Ford teams, while the two trunk image I have of a trunk-mounted battery being topped up or charged doesn't reveal any specific detail to help clarify matters.  Up front, a pair of chromed bathroom hardware washers have been employed as brake discs, their utility manifest as not appearing stamped on the cheap or for evidencing uneven or discolored plating.



And while not disassembled, the mold seams on each header have here been sanded away consistent with rendering them invisible under paint.  Finding an appropriate matte pale yellow took a little time, with my first effort being too thick and actually fuzzy to the touch.  Some hardware detail on the chassis has been painted, although much of what is discerned is just stock GMP issue. 



Better capturing the bend to ensure each exhaust dump would run tight against the floor surface and rocker panels in particular.  I like brass, although sadly I've not had much success bending it for use across my 1:25th topics.  I misplaced my only photo of the drilled and hence ventilated brake drums, although I'm not sure the parts I used here would have strictly been made out to reveal such work had it been attempted. 



...and finally, in paint.  It proved hard to capture the paint tone for the limitations of my equipment teamed to thin technique, although apart and away from the image seen here, I'm largely happy with the effect generated.  Thanks for your review of this small update.

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: July 27, 2020, 12:20:32 AM »

Greetings,

I didn't bother to mention the 1969 Donnybrooke Trans-Am content given I thought it was known.  Attached is a YT link to a stretch of the same likely in excess of the total content sampled within the Carfilms.com product line, this or the older VHS The History of the Trans-Am Series 1966-1992 produced by J.B. Heimann Productions.  The J.B. Heimann history of the series was rereleased on DVD some time back and is easy enough to find (if not everyone has it).  Anyhow, consider reviewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdKWMq0GKT4

A while ago I posted a link to the same on a FB Historic Trans-Am group page and raised ire of someone who apparently had a hand in the production of such, although I wish he would have afforded information consistent with securing a licensed full-length copy given I and others would surely like a copy.  I deleted my post, although perhaps I should have pursued details consistent with firming up who was responsible for capturing the footage and producing what was seen?  Perhaps in time this information will be found or will surface.  Thanks...

P.S. For a time it's my understanding that copies of Four Hands on the Wheel were sold Autobooks and Aerobooks in Burbank, CA.  The fortunate few gathered copies thus, while rare screenings (likely utilizing examples of the actual film) are mentioned online, typically tied to themed lectures.  Beyond this the trail grows cold.  M.K.

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: July 26, 2020, 03:25:10 PM »

Greetings,

This was a 30 minute VHS program found on YouTube which contains a snippet of what I take to be the 1968 Penske Trans-Am Camaro documentary 'Four Hands on the Wheel', the material from such which may be viewed between 7:02 and 10:33.  Until the full documentary surfaces, scraps found here or there will have to suffice.  Consider then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdjmDpRXQ6Q

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: July 23, 2020, 12:59:54 AM »

Greetings...

This would be my 1967 Penske Donohue Trans-Am Camaro Kent, WA taking shape, again based on the GMP #36 '67 Daytona 24HR tool of old.  An example was found for $110 and pretty much reflects what could be had w/box without further ado.  The framed side window vents seem taller and fit better versus the reissues in particular, hence this is something.   Worry not - the '69-model dash and dash pad painted light gray here is fated to be excised like a tumor...



Some diecast rash was in evidence across the hood and seems typical of these models when purchased second hand; i.e. one must be careful!  In particular, polishing out the stripes and numeral overlaying onto the paint otherwise seen on the right forward section of the hood was no fun at all.  For long it appeared I couldn't save it, although happily some of the worst areas were fated to vanish beneath a new stripe application.  Yes - this model has a past...



Other things done include the removal of the silver-painted drip rail trim, relocated numeral/roundels, a replacement deck lid with an narrow oval refueling perforation, and altered wheel paint versus standard.  The waterslide markings were sourced from IndyCals (see note and link above), while 'Goodyear' marked tires replace the 'Firestone' marked tires.  As for the tread design, the GMP tires seem to be '71 and later Goodyear wets and nothing I can strictly replace at the moment. 

The trunk lid numeral/roundel is still attached to it's sheet and won't be applied given I can't adequately trim away the excess yellow material visible along the edge.  A new decal sheet will be ordered, with a better registered numeral/roundel substituted in consistent with keeping things both clean and sharp.  And just briefly, a spare rear screen was swapped in sans retension straps afforded on the GMP '67 Daytona 24HR release.  Retension clips were fitted, albeit not straps from what I can tell...



Moving along, some underhood items are noticed in the form of resin 'stamped steel' valve covers and a Lane/Exact Detail single 4BBL cowl induction setup that replaces what I worked up long ago.  My hope is to leave more things in place consistent with simplifying the repaint process across the chassis, although some things still stand to be altered.

Kind thanks to Jon Mello for your contributions variously manifest (saving the image content long ago in particular - whew!) given it's been helpful to review the insight you'd provided.  Conscious of what has been shared earlier, I'm carefully reviewing materials much further up this thread as I go about revising the roll cage configuration in particular - a second time this.  Thanks to anyone whom might mull this project update...

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: July 08, 2020, 04:13:36 AM »

Thanks for the renewed interest...

Sadly I wrecked the original 1:18th GMP '67 Penske Camaro for misguided experiments related to applying racing stripes right down the back of the tail panel as was desired.  A mess was made, the remains of which were parted out.  With greater experience I'm much more adept at fabricating roll cages, while some effort is being made to husband supplies and research to create what will likely be a '67 Kent, WA iteration given I'd rather have replicate something in a high developmental state versus the '67 Daytona 24HR release GMP initially afforded us.  Some painted subassemblies were saved from attempt #1, while a firm by the name of IndyCals now has four 1967-season Penske Racing Trans-Am Camaro waterslide decal sheets that may be ordered in 1:18th to help revise the livery to suit.  Perhaps ponder these offerings via the link provided:

https://www.indycals.net/decals/canam/67penskecamaro.html

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Indeed - the ERTL'70 Camaro hood and door hinges are a fright, although the tool is still better proportioned than anything that has come to market as strange as this fact is to report.  For a period the 1:18th Franklin Mint '70 Z/28 was expected to sweep all before it in terms of quality, but ultimately proved very disappointing for its very odd proportions and banana-like side profile in particular.  Somehow these scale oddities (for Franklin Mint then) command more than $125 used and are best avoided.  Older releases of the ERTL tool, especially the first '70 Z/28 iteration in Citrus Green, can be had for not so much secondhand, although I'd hesitate to recommend to anyone purchasing a newer release given prices have crept up to $79.95 for what is really something not much more sophisticated than was sold for $29.95 eons ago. 

Seen just below would be a late 1:18th Autoworld (rebadged ERTL then) release of a '70 SS350 Camaro lightly modified to suggest a SS396 iteration with RPO PO2 wheelcovers, a blacked-out tail panel, rechromed exhaust tips after having first removed the mold lines, and eventual '65 Z16 SS396 Chevelle 'power' if you will from a 1:18 Lane release sold separately by ACME.  It looks nice, although here would be a $79.95 model with wheels and tires from a $150 discontinued model of some rarity.  The AutoART RPO PO2 wheel covers plus tires came from a diecast breaker of sorts in Germany, and were picked up for 15 Euros, but working up something of reasoned quality can quickly grow expensive.  Little wonder I purchase few and work those that I do over hard...



Recently a Maisto '71 Z/28 was released, and while not hateful at the price point afforded, it isn't much better versus the ERTL releases that came before.  Washing ashore at CostCo stores and the like, for about $15 or less, one can be yours.  The hinges are just as hamfisted and glaringly obvious as what would be found on an ERTL or now Autoworld release, although if one seeks low-cost fodder for limited mods, worse choices exist. 

Lastly, the Replicarz sealed resin '70 Chaparral Camaro hasn't strictly been seen, with a 1:43 Spark model subbing for the actual thing on the namesake Replicarz website.   Not much to review when this message was scribbled, but one may follow the link to ponder the announcement of such: 

https://www.replicarz.com/1970-Chaparral-T_A-Road-America-Jim-Hall/productinfo/R18203/

I wonder if the wheels and tires tooled for their '71-'72 Trans-Am Javelins will be reused on this last release, while if so then I'm not hugely hopeful as some shortcuts were taken; i.e. the wheel diameters are different front-to-rear on the Javelin releases to suggest more in the way of difference between each end or axle viewed at a glance.  People love the finish on the Replicarz Trans-Am Javelins, although the price asked ($239.95) has turned others away or soured them completely.  No panels open on either the Javelins or upcoming Chaparral Camaro; i.e. no engine detail, no opening doors or trunk access - this a sign of the times as design, licensing, material and labor costs drive down detail and drives up prices. 

Within days I'll post a limited redo of a Replicarz '71 Penske Javelin consistent with working with what is afforded.  Very nicely developed '68 and '69 Ronnie Kaplan Engineering/Javelin Racing Team scale replicas based upon much older 1:24th Jo-Han plastic kits further linger in the background as projects to share.  Thanks...


Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros.

« on: July 03, 2020, 08:36:56 PM »

Greetings,

An Imgur third-party photo image hosting experiment this (yes - it took me long enough), noticed would be a 1:18th scale '70 Chaparral Camaro based upon the very old ERTL tool taking shape.  Replicarz has announced a sealed resin iteration of the same topic, although for $239.95, I'm thinking I need to work up something with opening panels even if the tabulated expenses run quite close to what might be eventually asked for the sealed model.  I have a backlog of SCCA Trans-Am projects harboring in the shadows, hence more may yet be seen, while know I miss the interest and feedback registered in the past.  Kind thanks...



This would be Vic Elford circulating around Riverside, CA during the '70 Mission Bell 200.  Basically it's the topic, and pretty much what I desire even at Watkins Glen is the obvious choice in relation to final specification.  In a descriptive sense, what follows is much-compressed.  Look closely and one will see my '70 T/G Firebird project beneath some images which features progress and far better rendered rear flares as contrasted to before.  And yes - I do own paint and proper finishing supplies - but will I ever use such?



Seen underhood with hideous dog leg hinges on full display, a GMP '68 Chevrolet Trans-Am crossram-equipped small block engine sold on a blisterpack has been revised somewhat to suggest a '70 Chaparral spec.  A '67 single 4BBL intake was cast, as were finned LT1-style valvecovers.  The air cleaner lid is a Hwy. 61 '69 COPO Camaro part separated from what would otherwise be a combined lid and seal assembly, while a narrowed and tilted GMP Trans-Am Camaro Harrison radiator assembly is sited on scratch built support structure. 

Also discerned will be a coolant expansion tank w/mount, a remote oil filter installation, and what is intended to appear as a near-standard accessory drive with the alternator installed high and to the right.  The master cylinder and brake booster assembly is standard GMP Trans-Am Camaro fare, while the visible third of the resin upper control arms are similarly sourced.  Headers are standard GMP items, although if someway to work up the shape and design of Kustom Headers is found, then that will be the path forward. 

Experiments with clear plastic sheet of various thicknesses continues consistent with replacing the fabricated front spoiler with something akin to 'unbreakable Lexan'.  Unfortunately my efforts will likely prove delicate indeed by way of contrast.  And just in passing, here may be seen one front bumper option without the delicate bumper guards in-place, while further below a stripped part with bumper guards is difficult to make out given it's cast in black plastic.  The casting and contour of the bumpers front and rear required work, and will subsequently be vacuum-plated as COVID-19 (the original horror versus the expected sequels) winds down.



Long pushed to the side given I'd hadn't a clue how to reproduce the panel flares, behold the model with - gasp - panel flares.  A spare body was fitted out with plastic walls or borders outlining the extent of each flare as per information gleaned from the relevant FIA homologation forms, whereupon I set the shell on it's side and poured resin directly into a succession of four pockets.  Mold release was sprayed into each pocket or recess, while eventually the material set up and the resultant chunks 'o resin were snapped off and reshaped to resemble what is seen here.  Not the work of an afternoon, or even several afternoons.  I'm hoping to create a mold to do duplicates if only to backstop my efforts, versus attempting to install the single set and risking all for so-doing.  Oh, and just in passing, note that the low-rent ERTL plastic 'glass' can be polished up to look better than one might suspect...



Here the model is seen in profile, consuming as it does body work from about three ERTL releases for having a flat hood, unperforated doors sans exterior racing mirrors, a standard nose versus the usual RS-treatment, and the taller D80 rear spoiler.  Just turning up an interior without the upgraded trim with faux wood inserts is something of a challenge, although a few ERTL releases afford such.  The cage may be done again given the main hoop could have been positioned further back, although it's very tight as-is.  To ensure the cage fits as tight at it might relative to the thick body shell metal, the plastic headliner that otherwise joins the front and rear screens has been cut out.  Tires are Jouef/Eagle's Race Ford GT40/Gulf Mirage Firestones, the wheels are revised resin Minilites done before to support other efforts.  The standard exterior rear view mirror is from a Lane '68 Firebird 400 H.O., while the outlines of the fabricated fuel cell housing can barely be discerned below.



Briefly glimpsed would be the Chaparral gauge pod set into the dash, as well as the ERTL D80 rear spoiler that required and has received a degree of attention.  The spoiler as-delivered is missing material beneath the main element as it floods over each respective quarter panel top, while the end profiles and height of the element itself needed subtle correcting.  A former concern about the height of the side screen/glass openings around the passenger compartment has been seen too to the extent that each opening has been filed flat to eliminate the rain gutter and window seal detail, while some file work served to enlarge each opening for expanding upwards into the roof.  Note how the rear windscreen border profile matches the contour of where the side window openings pick up (best appreciated for examining an unmodified example).  It does look better!  Thanks for your review and consideration of yet another unfinished scale project, suitably-themed.

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: April 18, 2020, 08:08:09 PM »

Greetings,

A rather unexpected and long documentary treatment of the '70 Trans-Am Series, with much Watkins-Glen content.  Wholly unknown to me.  Certainly examine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Rc8AhuBSY&fbclid=IwAR1rNDLlAcPKYy2ifeDGX2wDAfYKpuNXEvCo0h2P0iuZjR_P5Ec1B5wb5zo&app=desktop

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: February 03, 2020, 05:35:53 AM »

Greetings,

Follow the link to view a period Super 8 film containing footage from the '68 Lime Rock as well as Bryar Trans-Am events.  Uploaded by Chris Gilman.  Although a bit headache inducing for running quickly in terms of frames per second, it's terrific...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZz2AJ_mpRA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2KTdgUICqIqWUTIMSbkGCYeufS7-Z-gPXc1QedGGrv4MH3iHO3SNmP2zE

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Barone - Houston - Dry Sump Tank Pictures/Descriptions Requested

« on: January 20, 2020, 05:35:05 AM »

Mike,

It wouldn't be a bad idea to try to contact Harry V. Quakenboss as he popped up upon my model car build thread given he might have had some involvement in the second generation Herb Adams Firebird Trans-Am effort in '72.  Just join the Model Car Magazine Forum, address a PM to him and see where that might take you.  A basic web search may turn up his name and further contact information, while his name couldn't be very common.

Just in passing, it might not be terrible to seek out old copies of the Steve Smith race preparation softcover guides from the period, or even issues of Stock Car Racing plus what was called Circle Track & Highway early on consistent with establishing what dry sump systems and setups were in vogue. 

And finally, I don't have many '72-season images to share regarding the effort that was, albeit I do have a few.   I'm always searching for and isolating relevant images to support this scale project or that.  Should you wish for these, please contact me via PM.  Kind thanks...

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: December 30, 2019, 07:42:42 AM »

Hello again,

News is that Horst Kwech has passed.  Shelby Racing Co. team driver '68-'69, Alfa Romeo standard bearer, guiding force behind the DeKon Monzas among other activities and accomplishments.  The ranks of the original participants continues to thin...

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: November 22, 2019, 04:09:22 PM »

Greetings,

As time and the generations pass, the ranks of those involved during the series heyday continues to thin.  I regret to report that John Martin has passed, best known here for his involvement with the Ronnie Kaplan/Javelin Racing Team effort from it's inception until late in the '69 season.  See the link:

https://racer.com/2019/11/21/indycar-veteran-john-martin-dies-at-age-80/

Mike K./Swede70

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us

« on: November 14, 2019, 01:29:02 AM »

Further greetings and salutations...

Just hunting around with the vague goal of establishing if Roger Penske's first wife was spelled either 'Lisa' or 'Lissa' (it was the latter do know), I came across an old profile of him found within the pages of Sports Illustrated that was a bit more detailed than expected.  If one was doing a biographical work, review and inclusion of such would be essential. 

Consistent with getting into Roger's head and understanding the clockwork mechanism operating within that skull, said article from 1963 teamed with the 1968 Leon Mandel-penned article found within the pages of Car & Driver titled 'Penske: The Very Model of a Modern Major General' and accessible here on the CRG are well worth reading.  The totality of his career would likely overwhelm this writer, although I do enjoy early treatments consistent with better appreciating who he is and how he thinks.  Others might be like-inclined, hence my post.

Although predating his latter role as team owner active across multiple series, the peculiar intensity of focus and atypical habits of framing the challenges specific to motorsports unquestionably comes across strongly.  I believe it would be mistake to skip reading such if one wishes to understand 'The Captain' and the critical orbit Mark Donohue (and others) existed within.  Peruse then 'What Makes Roger Race':

https://www.si.com/vault/1963/03/25/606271/what-makes-roger-race

...while if you haven't read the L. Mandel-penned C & D article in recent times, follow the internal link to reinforce and expand upon impressions made via:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9350.msg67013#msg67013

Mike K./Swede70