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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us
« on: July 14, 2011, 08:19:53 PM »
Hello again,

A bit of a work in progress when this was posted, but a fine effort and splendid presentation.  The rudiments of a SCCA Trans Am Javelin webpage tied specifically into the 100 Trans Am replicas (mostly paint) that predated the Mark Donohue Javelin proper.  Sure to develop, hence not bad at all to bookmark.  See:

http://www.tajavelin.com/

Mike K.

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us
« on: July 14, 2011, 07:54:53 PM »
Greetings,

Another website, this a commercial photo image service.  Expect to wrestle with the interface, ignore 'O results returned', click on 'view Editorial images' to turn up results that are often atypical and surprising.  Deliberate application here will net a neat return on investment.  Type in teams, team owner names, drivers, venues, series identification, and mark off those search terms you've tried each in turn.  See:  

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=creative&assetType=image&p=mark+donohue#

...I typed in 'Mark Donohue' just to afford the casual visitor something up front.


Mike K.

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Greetings,

Conversation earlier had me ponder the efficacy of doing a Titus '69 Firebird backdated with select '68 parts.  The major thing would be to fit a wider 'beak' to the front clip, and somehow fit a '68 hood to a likely '69 shell.  Plugging the side air extractors (just trim anyhow), replacing the rocker trim and fitting a Camaro ducktail spoiler plus 302 Chevrolet power wouldn't be terribly hard - just what to do about the assumed fundamental mismatch of cobbled-together panelwork (in-period no less) across two diecast manufacturers?  

I feared that the 1:18 Yat Ming 1969 Firebird Trans Am and the 1:18 Lane 1968 Firebird tools would be about the least compatible diecast kitbash project on the planet, believing the former not very good at all, the latter, almost too good to render scrap.  Anyhow, somehow I purchased a Yat Ming '69, scrounged a Lane '68, scrounged another Lane '68 via eBay for not too much to give matters a go.  What is seen is just early work to prove it possible.  

Quite surprised to notice the Yat Ming and Lane dimensions are very close - the wider (by combining two bumpers - a weird appearance this subtle mod. affords the front of the topic) Lane '68 bumper 'stamping' blends well to the Yat Ming '69 shell, whereas shocked to discover that the hood will drop on essentially unmodified but for dreaded metalwork to cut away structure from the Yat Ming shell.  Hwy. '61 Camaro hinges would be best, a modified Hwy. '61 '69 Camaro chassis narrowed at the hip does seem quite possible, whereas an Al Bartz Chevrolet 302 would find a home within the engine bay.  Anyhow, a fun exercise as photographs suggest...

Mike K.


...the topic, seen at the Riverside Mission Bell 250 '69.  Photo image from Car Craft magazine - thanks Jon!


...still-wide extended grille (Hey! - now you know what a 'Pontiacntiac' is!), plus brief photo reference suggesting odd shape of modified front bumper.  Bumper is almost certainly fiberglass or aluminum on actual car, painted either silver or a very agreeable 'natural gas' shade of blue, while wheels are gray-painted Minilites.  Photo reference depicts topic as seen at first event of the '69 season held at MIS.


...a shock for fit of all items relative to each other doesn't suck.  


...rear bubble flares could be reused Autodynamics Challenger rear flare castings - I stopped at the half-way point prior to final shaping and saved the major work for possible use elsewhere - like here.  


...last shot, major metalwork to cut out.  Grille shell needs space to exist behind bumper, whereas all one sees is stout Zamac structure to support the '69 nose.  Grille shell and grille painted black, most mods. will be rendered invisible, whereas scrap resin Minilites quickly painted here just to afford a sensation of what the finished model might look like.  Front valence is '68 Lane, whereas the lowermost extension of the '69 Yat Ming front fender has been cut off to allow the use of the former.  Thanks for reading this...

Mike K.

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Firebird and the Trans-Am series
« on: July 12, 2011, 06:14:47 PM »
Greetings Bruce,

Same Car Craft 'Finelines' article with some other photos (issue is May 1989), plus better resolution scan of For Sale advertisement.  Hope this comes out!  Will send For Sale item across as a JPEG, sorry to be slack here.

Mike K.



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Thanks Jon again for all that you do for myself and us/thanks Robert - I'll check my scattershot assemblage of Motorcade issues!,

Painted wheels again, but coats a bit heavy - will likely have to recast wheels.  So, I have two sets to experiment with different strength stripping agents - ah, accentuate the positive!  Thanks for the awe-inspiring close-in '69 MIS photography, neat to see the weird early-'69 front flares where if I recall correctly they intended at one point to run both power steering and larger section (if not 'rear') tires up front.  '69 GMP model came through with wrong interior trim level, not sure if I should try casting '67/'68 interior panels to create clones for my latter example.  Thanks for the corrective with regards to the 'non-drilled' Grant wheel.  I removed the overscale center, replaced same with a photoetched puck with subtler detail.  Not sure if I can find small enough hardware to at least capture the center upraised thread and nut detail.  Should be able to scratchbuild fresh air duct without too much trouble off model prior to fitting - all good this.

Yes, first posted shots of my '69 featured better 'footwear'.  Color better (standard GMP), plus lugs, plus wheel weights, plus tiny sections of duct tape to 'hold' same in place, in addition to decidedly better tires.  1:18 GMP Lola T70 dry weather Goodyears - very rare these are secondhand.  A little too low of profile up front, but much improved on the back.  1:18 GMP Trans Ams a bit too square concerning sidewalls, perhaps dimensionally oversized on the front, and a bit undersized on the rear.    

GMP Trans Am tires seem to match the tread profile RWR/ARA '71 Javelin poster Goodyear 'wets', whereas at some point I'd like to master a set of tires and come up with section/sidewall profile/indented tread combination I desire.  Ford and Chapparal-specific LXX Firestones with their unusual cantilevered sidewall construction and profile too would become possible.  Period Goodyear dry Blue Streak Sports Car Specials seem possible even without a lathe or laser-etching of the pattern, but this too is the future.  Thanks so much...

Mike K.

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Greetings Jon,

Yes, steering wheel out, whereas not sure if I can do anything about the fact that the spokes aren't drilled like an actual Grant wheel.  Maybe small circles of black paint can be applied, maybe not.  Some decals exist on the market in 1:18 to redo the body lettering and such, but colors less rich, and in all probability, less accurate still; i.e. not much latitude to work there.  Neat options exist if the model was in 1:25th scale, whereas the dark body color meshed to bright graphics overlaid onto the same spells trouble.  Perhaps with time I could do my own graphics on a computer, printing same off on decal stock.  This is the future, and it is not yet.  Will probably stick with the wheel finish for the near-term.  Have five shades across a spectrum, although one hasn't been applied to a wheel outright and might surprise me if I were to experiment.  Beating down cognitive dissonance tendencies then!

May experiment with finding a local pinstriper of note to see if handwork of stripe outline might be done on a 1:18th shell.  For the '67, this would open the way to refinishing the model in a darker shade - good.  Trunk panel drilled through, although opening the resultant hole out further and introducing a somewhat oblong shape to allow the lid to clear the extended inlet will take a bit of time. 

Quick question - have you ever seen a '69 model Penske Camaro fitted with finned valve covers?  I have a shot from Michael Lamm's book The Great Camaro that shows an engine on the dyno being tended to by one half of Travers and Coon depicting a cross ram-equipped 302 Chevrolet so-outfitted, but otherwise nothing.  Since it seems I've done a Riverside entry, the question sort of hovers in air.  I hope to give back in the form of posting further books and magazines - soon I hope.  Thanks and with very kind regards...

Mike K.

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Greetings Jon (and to all who might look in),

Relieved in a sense that for splitting the side bars away from the '67 main hoop that needn't strictly refab. the same, noticing that the side outriggers angle forward a bit.  This saves me work, whereas jealous I've become with regards to recycling 'work capital' if you will.  Yes, I'll recommit to the original plan with regards to the cage.

Fitted new '69 model wheels to '69 car.  Though impossible to discern for the limits of the images provided, the castings look nice.  Seam detail is as seen on the actual wheels, forming at the base of the spokes where I mated the two halves of the urethane mold.  A discreet line/border is formed where the outer rim mates to the broader body of the rim much like the '69 Javelin images you kindly uploaded, whereas I tried too to create the round pads presumably cast into the wheel to afford options to tap an air valve.  These are a bit large of diameter, but not hateful.  The wheels finally look about right; i.e. not some exceedingly well finished billet item, not raw and evidently slipshod, but quality castings that are no more and no less than that.  Hub guides in place, lugs not.  Read teflon finish applied to same, tried to reproduce with gray paint.  Better then - thank you...

M.K.



...'stamped steel' valve covers in place too, albeit difficult to see.  

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Greetings Jon,

Thanks again for the considered input.  New wheels, now finished with what is in essence the header paint employed before at are present drying in anticipation of my fitting them later today.  They will quite nicely match the Mission Bell 250 color photographs of the topic as seen in the '69 season issue of the Vintage Motorsports Trans Am retrospective.  Thanks for this 'shove' in the right direction.  Odd, for the model appears a bit denatured for the paler color choice, but correct it is. 

Wondering if I should just try to do a very faithful rendition of the very well documented cage in the second Camaro.  Reading The Unfair Advantage suggests that only in relation to GM instrumented testing did they begin to extend the cage out to stiffen the unibody outright, whereas some photographs show rather spindly support tubes set at odd and atypical angles heading back.  I surmised that they sited these tubes early season towards the rear subframe as it extended forward into the passenger's compartment, versus through the bulkhead and towards points at the end of each subframe rail.  It seemed that as the testing of the instrumented Camaro proceeded, that the configuration was revised for lessons learned.  I suppose I made a stab at the early non-reconfigured first build. 

Will likely blow apart cage to scratchbuild everything, and see especially to the bowed out side bar detail and attendant structure.  It will take a little bit, but what is seen will be captured.  Will revise tubing coming off back of main hoop to reflect what is seen in the photos you've kindly provided.  Thanks for the ESPN2 clip - love that.  Very kind regards...

Mike K.

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Greetings Jon,

Tried to strictly replicate cage informed by the photo image you modified and uploaded.  Could change the side bar detail to reflect integration of the side tubes as seen on the second car complete with tiny outrigger(s).  Plates for base of tubes not yet in position, but dimensionally it looks o.k.  Front tubes cut out and redone, with each forming the welding point of all structure spreading from them.  Hoping to fab. a trans. linkage access panel if that was seen across years.  Will be all but invisible beneath paint, but something obvious to add.  Thanks...




Mike K.

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Bryar Trans-Am photos
« on: June 30, 2011, 08:16:58 PM »
Greetings,

Thank you - these are wonderful.  I didn't appreciate just how tall the 'unofficial' rear ducktail spoiler was even for the rear view photographs.  Had I tried to fab. something, I likely would have stopped mid-stride believing '...oh, I couldn't look like THAT!'.  What a fun and funny thing to see put past tech., hence have to make one. 

Mike K.

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Greetings,

Pondering the fabrication of the enlarged duck tail spoiler, expect same would be based on a modified and doctored mold of the standard GMP item.  In short, I'd make an effort to cast the top tip of the spoiler without letting the urethane mold material creep right up to the base of the same (the mold being a one-piece affair), stop and apply clay to the standard spoiler to 'gap the transition' between the higher lip and the slightly lower base, reinsert the spoiler, then finish the mold.  I'd expect it to be a bit rough, but subtle as is the doubtlessly hand cast one-off (or two!) seen in the photograph.  Control afforded too to replace the squared-off pin recesses with half-round, whereas photo-etched items used (or perhaps real watch/timepiece hardware) to secure spoiler from the top.  The underside splash shield seen in the trunk photos can be handled easily enough, whereas thanks so much for the assortment of inlet shots. I have the solid trunk lid panel in hand now, and am beginning to drill through the same to lend momentum to that aspect of the effort.  With much thanks...

Mike K.

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...and aside then.  I painted my '69 Minilites and fit the same.  Not totally pleased with paint tone - a bit too earthy, almost looks like the restored racer, whereas period color photographs suggests a paler hue ought to have been employed.  Pondering what to do, whereas same are naked for being sans lugs/wheel centering hub/wheel weights, etc.

M.K.

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Greetings Jon,

Great thanks for the considerable effort you've made towards the end of assisting me concerning the cage configuration. Hugely appreciative I am, whereas I've just picked up supplies to make a very determined go of the cage beyond that seen to date. Again, I'm quite at a loss for words concerning the value of the input afforded me.  I hope to capture another image of the cage and chassis to confirm said input was acted upon. Cage fabrication is fun - undeniable 'value-added' concerning the '...well, can you communicate to me just what you did?' angle, and quite satisfying to execute. Given the '70 Autodynamics Challenger project features about the most fiendishly complex period cage I can identify, I view this as a run up of sorts to that effort.  

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Indeed - what a strange configuration for the 'missing two of the four point' roll cage!  I intend to start from the front outriggers and build back, replicating how the bars mate up to these first, then proceed aft. Not sure how much original material I'll save, whereas plates for the base of each contact point of the cage are simple to fabricate and will be added. Hollow tube with brass rod to prevent flexing and sagging.  Fishmouth tube to tube final fitting all done by hand; i.e. just like the actual cage, simply done in 1:18th scale.  A bread board with a few nails tapped into it is my 'mandrel' and 'jig' both, whereas for something that hasn't a cage, file cards folded in half are cut and cut again to smoothly mesh into roof and side interior contours when the same is required. My '70 Penske Donohue Javelin has a cage scratchbuilt in this fashion, and far superior it is to a two-piece cast 'tube' affair.

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Thanks too for the pair of trunk photographs.  No grassy knoll photographs then?  Memories too of the film Blow Up.  Amazing how in a burst photographers might gather around, be intrigued by unexpected access to an atypical sight, and finally, to have two photographs emerging from that same moment with the passage of years. With very much appreciation...

Mike K.

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Greetings,

Some discreet work again; i.e. efforts to revise the rollcage structure.  It may all be scratchbuilt, whereas what can be noticed is the removal of all cross bars from within the main hoop (one across to be fitted soon), whereas simple bars extend back down towards the rear subframe versus extending into the trunk area.  I didn't see the side bars bowing out as they do on the later Penske Camaros, hence the same replaced with straight stock, whereas the tubes set on an angle nearest the front footwells are new.  Convinced I am that the tubes right in front of the footwell tubes set on an angle are wrong, but not certain what might exist there.  Not seeing shadows, I cannot tell just how far forward the tubes extend into the footwells, whereas the standard items seem patterned roughly on the '69 spec.  One can further see the tube added that is situated below the dash that stretches across from side to side.  The tiny panel fitted to where the heater and radio might otherwise have been fitted is berift of fuse panel detail, hence incomplete it is.  

I expect that I've done a few things wrong here, and that further work will be required.  Given that the tubes mate at rather severe angles and are visible as such from outside of the vehicle (versus later Trans Am cars where the installation of such tucks them under the roof), much can be said in favor of tossing the diecast plastic parts aside and beginning anew.    Thanks Jon for the kind provision of photographs and always relevant insight.  

Mike K.



M.K.

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Firebird and the Trans-Am series
« on: June 24, 2011, 03:43:18 PM »
Greetings Bruce,

Found additional print ad. in April 11, 1970 issue of AW & CP within the space of their normal classifieds without a photograph.  Text reads:

2 TRANS-AM FIREBIRDS with 302 Chevrolet engines built by Jerry Titus for the 1969 season complete with spare engines and fueling apparatus.  Contact Mike Wallace Hol-Arc Ltd. of Dallas, Tex 75209 (214) 357-4694         N.

Hope same might tie somes threads together.  Wishing you well...


Mike K.

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Greetings Jon,

Thanks for your kind effort.  Yes, yours is the same shot that is shown in the 1967 SCG Competition Year Review I have in my possession.  I've not compared issue-for-issue to note or notice if extra coverage is afforded within the yearbook per se, but rather doubt it.  Again, my appreciation.

P.S. ...with the distinct 'wood band' appearance of the steering wheel, might they have fitted something manufactured by Nardi?  I could search my mags. to inspect classifieds, whereas I have an old Villem Hahn (sp?) and perhaps a MG Mitten catalog to flip through that might reveal the manufacturer of the same. 

Mike K.

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