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346  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Rally Wheel Trim Rings - Measurements? Original? on: July 14, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
Steve - When I purchased my Z11 back in 82 it still had two of the original style so called "suicide rings", and two post recalled rings.
I turned the originals in for two additional replacement rings in 82 at no charge, since they looked bad in appearance (dented and pitted) and kept arriving in the driveway before the car did. Smiley The replacement ring for the 14 x 7 back in 82 was GM part number  9796919. I think they are discontinued from GM but are on Flea-Bait all the time. They are 3 inches deep, 1 inch rim width and are 15 and 1/2 inches in diameter. There is a paper sticker with 900928-9796919 on the inside rim edge but no stampings I can see. They arrived in a standard late 70's early 80's brown GM box, each ring was sealed in a bluish poly bag with GM corp logos. As for being original design, some say yes some say no. I say it is what GM put out as a replacement so in my mind that makes it corporate correct for post recall acquirement. And in my mind I would never drive again with the suicide ones installed just to dangerous and a pain to keep running after. I don't do contours shows so I don't care cause they look damn good.

The original style clips that GM used were redesigned after the transportation safety board forced a recall because the rings would fly off the wheel, or "kill themselves" on cornering under quite normal circumstances. These flying rings had caused a great number of accidents as people tried to avoid the 80 plus mph ring flying at them. The post recall design had stronger clips all around the ring and deeper into the ring, suicide style only had four (I think) right close to the outer edge so as the wheel flexed in a turn the ring popped off.  

Once you put the replacements on you won't want to remove them (and that is a difficult task anyway) but you will see what they do to the surface of the wheel as the new style clips dig in and stay.  

I didn't notice any physical difference in size or ring depth between the two versions on mine when I started my restoration but then again I was new to all this and wasn't so interested documenting something like a trim ring so no photos were taken of the old rings. What type of clips do you have on your rings?

From over at Team Camaro -
Originally Posted by Mark C

There are two types of Rally wheel trim rings used in 69 according to the 1972 GM P&A 30A parts manual.

3934892 - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN STD WHEEL /OPTION P06/196971/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ EXC 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE

9796919 - 1969-70/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ WITH 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN SUPER SPORT WHEEL /OPTION N66/


So that confirms the part number is right for my 350/300 L48 so I'm ok. You should be too since it was also used on the 396
347  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Courtesy Lights on: July 14, 2011, 07:01:13 AM
this may sound like a dumb reply here but did you check to see if the headlight switch rheostat isn't clicked over to light the dome lights?
348  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: Quesiton to site moderator or managers on: July 11, 2011, 06:21:24 AM
Smiley
Thanks
349  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 10, 2011, 02:52:35 PM
Here is the reason for the 3/8" gap on the right headlight door. Its amazing how these cars can make fools out of you. The slop on the canister bracket bolt holes and the slight change in mounting position didn't allow the piston to pull the door shut.

Thanks for the help guys!
over 40 years of wear always wins. Smiley
350  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: Quesiton to site moderator or managers on: July 09, 2011, 11:55:55 PM
Hey Kurt - it only happens when you post a picture larger then the limit, like dumping straight from an iphone.
Sometimes you get the error message but sometimes you do not - the session is just toast.
My68ss reported it a while back http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7422.0
maybe a java issue?

Brian

351  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Mirror on: July 09, 2011, 06:05:28 PM
I believe all 68 & 69 mirrors were rectangular with rounded corners.
Round mirrors on a 67.
352  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: Quesiton to site moderator or managers on: July 09, 2011, 04:26:01 PM
I have found with Fire Fox 4x and Internet Explorer 8x that If you try to post or reply and attach photos and the pictures are too large you get an error, but from this point forward the browser session is dead. You have to close the browser tab and reload the forum, then select the thread and try your post or reply again.
353  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 09, 2011, 12:24:45 AM
mine and anybody else who says "wow you got yours to work? Can you fix mine too?" LOL
354  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: L48'S WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE on: July 09, 2011, 12:20:01 AM
69Pace  Is that a hood lock with a internal hood release cable in the bottom pic?

It is a lock and ignition cut off.
Uses a barrel lock key mounted under the dash.
Push it in it kills the ignition and locks the hood.
I used to drive her to work every day in a less then pseudo safe neighborhood.
It was the best solution while I figured out if I was going to install a remote key-less entry and alarm once the restoration was finished.
That was 29 years ago LOL
355  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 07, 2011, 06:54:32 PM
Brian,

Thanks for outlining the proper way to lube the actuator. Nice to know there are rubber boot repops available. Guess I will have to research them as Jack brings up a good point. As you can see, mine have seen their better days.

http://secure.classichq.com/68-69-RS-ACTUATOR-RUBBER-BOOT-ONLY-P486.aspx $7.95

http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-headlight-door-vacuum-actuator-shaft-dust-boot-rally-sport-rs-1968-1969.html $8.99

356  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 07, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
I bought mine last in 1982 NOS GM on the shelf at Bristol's Chevrolet.

Classic HQ is making a reliable replacement that has a 1 year warranty and come pretested. Uses new tooling, and quality steel. $84.95  
http://secure.classichq.com/68-69-RS-HEADLAMP-VACUUM-ACTUATOR--P485C59.aspx

Rick's also selling these new tooling versions from Classic HQ but cheaper at $79.99. http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-headlight-door-vacuum-actuator-rally-sport-rs-1968-1969.html

Classic Industries sells a different tooling replacement manufactured by/for OER - no warranty, $79.99. And we all have our opinions of the quality of any OER product.

But a fresh set of hoses, good vacuum from your intake manifold, new or rebuilt hose bib on the headlight switch, lubed bell-cranks, and silicone lubed canisters, and PJ on the pistons and sealed dust boots make the doors as quick, and reliable as a vacuum system can be.

I love the mechanical pace of the doors on a 68 or 69 vacuum system. I find the electric conversion units too quick, and way too loud to fit the late 60's vibe of the car's design. Smiley

As to the binding situation I would check the piston connection and make sue the clip its making contact with anything, could the hose have gotten in the way? Basically look at everything you took off and put back on.
357  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: L48'S WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE on: July 07, 2011, 06:07:06 PM
Engine bay needs a little spit and polish and maybe paint.

Date: 03B
VIN: 124679N6161xx
Stamp: can't be read from the ground will revise once it is on a lift and my near sighted eyes can focus on it.  Grin  
Paint: 50 Top: A
Z11 Pace Car with Muncie 4 Speed
358  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 06, 2011, 05:09:35 AM
The rubber boots can be re-enforced with some quality electrical tape, or commercial grade film production black "Gaffers Tape" to repair breaks in the links.

The return spring was in decent shape on the right side door? Can you manually close the door or is it binding?
359  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 05, 2011, 07:59:49 PM
You can lube the inside of the actuators with high quality spray silicone.
Insert the applicator straw in the rear connector and spray a little in.
Then repeat in the front connector.
Then rotate the can clockwise counterclockwise so the rubber edge of the diaphragm inside gets covered, this is the seal on the can.
Then manually push and pull the piston a few times.
You should notice the process gets easier.

A second shot if need be but don't drown it in silicone.

Be careful if you have old cans not to dent the cans there is no way to roll the bend out.

If you find a pin hole you can seal the holes but the corrosion will continue so sooner or later you will have to buy a new can.

Piston Lube can be silicone or Petroleum Jelly. Carefully unhook the rear of the rubber boot on the piston and lube the seal on the can, then the piston.
Manually activate the piston open and close a few times to distribute the lube in the seal.
Replace the rubber boot to keep crud out of the can.
Since the rubber boots can rot and or disconnect - Replacement boots are available.

Brian
360  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: RS Headlight Door Trouble AGAIN... on: July 04, 2011, 10:31:44 PM
Marty - Glad it helped.

Are you running a reproduction valve or original 1969 valve?

I tend to see the same valve reproduction part listed as BOTH a 68 or 69 valve.
But folks who have the 68 AIM and original valves say its
shows the valve order as green on top, yellow, the red on the bottom.
But the 69 AIM states its valve is like traffic light red top, yellow, and green on the bottom.

I think this is where folks have gotten confused looking at 68 specs for 69, vise-versa

The actuators are identical both 68 and 69 so why they changed the valve who knows.
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