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331  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: console gauge car or not? on: August 14, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
True Marty it may have had a console but not the gauge package.
Is it true of 67 as it is with 68's that the OIL idiot light bezel was changed to read FUEL?

That may be you only clue left Kelvin that it at one time did have factory gauges.

But then again someone could have added factory gauges after the fact and not changed out the bezel.

What was the status of the original wiring harness?
332  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS350 muncie 4 speed tunnel hole template on: August 10, 2011, 06:32:53 PM
Try these. Both are 4 speed versions.
One is BW and the other is color.
Both show the torch cutout and the screw positions for the boot and the console bolts.
333  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 Assembly Manual, Best Place to Buy...? on: August 01, 2011, 12:29:29 AM
yeah if I didn't already have one or two printed versions of them kicking around I wouldn't buy one. Of the two copies I have - one is my buddy's who sold his Z years ago so I doubt he will ever need it again - but its printed on green paper and very hard to read.
334  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Z28 on eBay...Real, Correct ? on: July 31, 2011, 05:42:23 PM
yeah I'm no expert but it seems like this was born yesterday.
335  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 Assembly Manual, Best Place to Buy...? on: July 30, 2011, 10:09:25 AM
There is a current thread over at TC on this here was my reply...

If you do purchase a printed AIM at a swap meet thumb trough it as some of the versions out there are a hundred generations copied before your copy was made and some details are impossible to see.

The PDF versions of the 67, 68, 69 70, and 72 I have seen seem to have been scanned from very good low generation paper copies. I have both a paper and PDF 1969 AIM and find that the PDF pages are almost always better quality. But I need the paper in the Garage but sometimes I need to print off the pages from the PDF first LOL

Brian
336  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 Console on: July 28, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
LOL well it is easy if you do take the whole thing apart or at least off the transmission hump and put it on a bench.
337  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Hurst Handle Shifter Bracket on: July 24, 2011, 07:33:32 PM
Did you check the Hurst site?
338  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Convertible top boot on: July 24, 2011, 07:30:33 PM
I thought there was a chart here someplace that listed the 1969 "rules" for the black verses white vert tops, based on the body color and that the interior color was used on the boot under most circumstances.
339  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Adding console gauges and tach for 69 Camaro on: July 23, 2011, 09:37:37 PM
The readers digest version:
Yes you need both harnesses if your vehicle did not come with factory gauges and tach.

The first harness called the "conversion" harness creates the stub that would have been installed at the factory for the console to plug into. This harness allows you to re-wire features like moving the fuel gauge and transforming the oil and temp idiot lights to gauge senders. You must order the correct conversion.

The second harness is really straight forward and allows the console saw tooth gauge set to connect to the stub you created with the conversion harness in step one.

The third option is not to install a conversion harness, but to replace your entire wiring harness with a full system either factory-fit line from AAW or the classic update.

As for the gauge set itself really the only difference is if they are true reproductions - requiring external filters on the fuel and temp gauges, or internal.

AAW also sells a true replacement VOLTS meter to replace the factory AMPS meter.

Tachs are better calibrated now then factory. Factory and NOS are wicked $$$ for what they are - 40 year old low tech but its your call.
340  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Convertible Rear Speaker on: July 22, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Mark - can you actually hear anything when the top is down?
341  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: LA/Norwood shipping on: July 18, 2011, 01:09:19 PM
Pull a vehicle history report from the federal database. That report will list the first state and date it was titled in and any "brands" such as salvage or total loss that were assigned to that vin since its birth..
342  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Firewall picture on: July 17, 2011, 06:51:08 AM
In the 69 AIM there is an overview of the firewall and marks all the factory holes listed by option if I remember correct.
343  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Rally Wheel Trim Rings - Measurements? Original? on: July 14, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
Steve - When I purchased my Z11 back in 82 it still had two of the original style so called "suicide rings", and two post recalled rings.
I turned the originals in for two additional replacement rings in 82 at no charge, since they looked bad in appearance (dented and pitted) and kept arriving in the driveway before the car did. Smiley The replacement ring for the 14 x 7 back in 82 was GM part number  9796919. I think they are discontinued from GM but are on Flea-Bait all the time. They are 3 inches deep, 1 inch rim width and are 15 and 1/2 inches in diameter. There is a paper sticker with 900928-9796919 on the inside rim edge but no stampings I can see. They arrived in a standard late 70's early 80's brown GM box, each ring was sealed in a bluish poly bag with GM corp logos. As for being original design, some say yes some say no. I say it is what GM put out as a replacement so in my mind that makes it corporate correct for post recall acquirement. And in my mind I would never drive again with the suicide ones installed just to dangerous and a pain to keep running after. I don't do contours shows so I don't care cause they look damn good.

The original style clips that GM used were redesigned after the transportation safety board forced a recall because the rings would fly off the wheel, or "kill themselves" on cornering under quite normal circumstances. These flying rings had caused a great number of accidents as people tried to avoid the 80 plus mph ring flying at them. The post recall design had stronger clips all around the ring and deeper into the ring, suicide style only had four (I think) right close to the outer edge so as the wheel flexed in a turn the ring popped off.  

Once you put the replacements on you won't want to remove them (and that is a difficult task anyway) but you will see what they do to the surface of the wheel as the new style clips dig in and stay.  

I didn't notice any physical difference in size or ring depth between the two versions on mine when I started my restoration but then again I was new to all this and wasn't so interested documenting something like a trim ring so no photos were taken of the old rings. What type of clips do you have on your rings?

From over at Team Camaro -
Originally Posted by Mark C

There are two types of Rally wheel trim rings used in 69 according to the 1972 GM P&A 30A parts manual.

3934892 - 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN STD WHEEL /OPTION P06/196971/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ EXC 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE

9796919 - 1969-70/ALL WITH 14 IN RALLY WHEEL /OPTION ZJ7/ WITH 350 /300 HP/ AND 396 ENGINE 1969/ALL WITH 14 IN SUPER SPORT WHEEL /OPTION N66/


So that confirms the part number is right for my 350/300 L48 so I'm ok. You should be too since it was also used on the 396
344  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Courtesy Lights on: July 14, 2011, 07:01:13 AM
this may sound like a dumb reply here but did you check to see if the headlight switch rheostat isn't clicked over to light the dome lights?
345  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: Quesiton to site moderator or managers on: July 11, 2011, 06:21:24 AM
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