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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I had a Camaro Day with a fellow CRGer, we had fun on: March 08, 2014, 09:47:20 PM
Always nice to see members meeting in the real world. Glad things are back on the the track and at full throttle.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: eBay picture on: March 08, 2014, 01:37:23 PM
Anybody have the link to the ebay ad?
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Well My Camaro online Compadres, Time for a fight of my Life! on: March 08, 2014, 01:00:50 PM
Stay strong in spirit, positive in the outcome. Rev it high!
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: K30 location of mount on firewall pictures on: February 10, 2014, 12:45:05 AM
K30 1967 & 68 Speed and cruise control, Cruise-Master (V8, M35) (L6, MB1, manual trans, M40)
305 installed in 67 327 in 68, NA 69.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 console gauge/ tach question on: January 06, 2014, 03:07:30 PM
looks good.

Im looking for info on installing a tach in mine and moving the fuel gauge for now..   I want the spedo, fuel, tach setup.



Very easy to accomplish in a weekend.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Are the reproduction wheel well moldings any good yet? on: January 02, 2014, 12:50:32 PM
I found I was missing one of mine after 20 years. I bought "concourse grade" from Ricks - total Skit - unusable. Then I bought one from Classic - not much better - but usable - had to make a couple relief cuts at the bolt holes to get it to bend right at the bottom. Otherwise it does kinda look like the three OEM's already on the vehicle. It is a bit thinner which actually helped because if it was original thickness it would have never formed right without a few wacks of Thor's hammer.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Low Fuel Light on: January 01, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
Well 69 troubleshooting wise you have isolated the issue. You have tested that the direct ground of the FUEL warning light yellow lead lights the bulb. So the bulb and wiring are in good working order.

And direct grounding of the lead at the sender connection in the trunk - which sends zero ohms to the gauge and the LFWM at the same time, while sending the gauge to empty and beyond failed to light the bulb. So you have proved that the gauge can see below the factory set point and should be triggering the module to ground.

So that leaves only a few possibilities, either the LFWM wires are loose on the rear of the gauge, or the yellow connector to the light is loose, or the module is dead.

You can check the yellow lead of the module for ground with a meter if at zero ohms the yellow doesn't ground it is the module.  I willing to bet it is the module and you might just cut to the chase and buy a new one.

Factory style replacements are available through Classic Headquarters and American Auto Wire - both versions resold through all the big box Camaro stores on-line, The Classic HQ version has original design with the mounting fingers at the top to secure the module in the hole of the gauge plate. The AAW version is smooth top and you just zip tie the module to mount.
these modules seem to be standard around the 1/4 and below Ohms trigger point, but beware of some knock off's from China that are on eBay that are lower or higher set points, one reported as high as 3/4 full or as low as 2 Ohms which is like below the standard fuel sender intake sock.


$56.95 http://secure.classichq.com/68-69-LOW-FUEL-WARNING-MODULE--P851C62.aspx

You can invest a small amount more and get a variable set point so you can dial in when the light goes on.

These are made by M&H Electric Fabricators, Inc. 13537 Alondra Blvd. Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670  Great products, made in the USA but Crappy Website. Actually that is being kind, as it is one of the worse website designs I have ever used. So I'll help you out here with a direct link to the Camaro catalog PDF http://www.wiringharness.com/PDFS/CAM_2012_Camaro.pdf  The family of Low Fuel Warning Modules are on the bottom of page 16 as noted below:  

37651 1967 replacement "adjustable" low fuel warning module $59.00
NOTE: includes instructions, 06457873 lens & wiring to replace original "non-adjustable" console gauge mounted low fuel indicator unit

37651 1968 replacement "adjustable" low fuel warning module $59.00
NOTE: includes instructions, 06457873 lens & wiring to replace original "non-adjustable" console gauge mounted low fuel indicator unit

37651 1969 replacement "adjustable" low fuel warning module $59.00
NOTE: includes instructions & wiring to replace original "non-adjustable" console gauge mounted low fuel indicator unit

Don't know what 37651 looks like because there is no picture of the specific module listed for 67,68 and 69 but find it interesting that it is the same part number for all three years since 67 LFWM's sent power down the yellow to light the bulb and 68 and 69 grounded the yellow. In any event the "All Generic Adjustable" unit listed for one dollar more below is what I have used in other projects.

500274 ALL generic "adjustable" low fuel warning module $60.00
NOTE: a complete electronic control unit to activate a warning lamp or relay when fuel level drops below a user adjustable level



The big selling point here is that in 1969 there were four gas stations on every corner in every town and 20 gallon tanks and our expected MPG allowed us to wait until the 1/8 tank level to trigger the light. Today it takes 1/4 to get to the station. Smiley Set this module where you want the light to go on by Ohm's value, 1/4 to 1/2 are common.

So part number 500274 gets my vote until someone shows me the 37651 module. I would also Call them direct to order(562) 926-9552 since the website is quite the nightmare and only submits the order you have to call them anyways with payment information.

Happy New Year.
Brian
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: speed warning buzzer on: December 27, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
The same buzzers were used on all the speed warnings across division lines most years. Corvette houses often have reproductions in stock. They are on ebay all the time search for U15 or speed warning but leave off Camaro it will be cheaper.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Low Fuel Light on: December 22, 2013, 10:24:33 AM
A simple Potentiometer can duplicate the Ohm's needed for the module to trigger the ground. Typically 10 or less. Twist up and down to makes sure it goes on and off.

Or without the trip to RadioShack just trick the gauge into seeing zero Ohms. Do this by disconnecting the lead in the trunk from the fuel tank sender unit, then ground the connector that runs forward to the gauge. Your gauge will peg empty when you power up, and if the module is working it will trigger the ground and light the FUEL light.

If not chances are the module is dead and you can replace with factory style, or a variable that you set the trigger point so it can be a bit higher then the typical 1/8 tank.

Attached is the design of the original modules from a thread I started a few years back over at Team Camaro. Lots of tips and tricks in that thread to customize your trigger point.

10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Voltage Regulator - Solid State - Ammeter Needle Vibrating on: December 19, 2013, 05:01:55 PM
The solid state VR should have nothing to do except turn charging on and off on a as needed basis. Since the gauge is wired between the main bus on the Horn Relay and the main junction block I would clean up all those connections and grounds and see if it goes away. If not run your multi-meter across your battery and see if you have any storage issues - bad cell or other issue there.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 console gauge/ tach question on: December 16, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
Looks good - nice job on the seats, did you job it out or tackle the upholstery yourself?
If it was a BB the heater hoses would be the tell. Any under the hood pics to ponder?
If she is an SS in your mind and you are being correct on the details, then maybe you want to change the steering wheel emblem too from the bowtie to SS.
Nice job and I look forward to some pics and details.
Brian
 
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 console gauge/ tach question on: December 16, 2013, 04:39:50 PM
Good - glad you found it. Are you updating the style of the seats or going stock. Who's belts did you buy?
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Looking for a car I had...... on: December 15, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
The National Motor Vehicle Title Information System (NMVTIS) http://www.vehiclehistory.gov/

The best $5.00 you will spend Smiley
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Looking for a car I had...... on: December 14, 2013, 06:50:26 PM
Dave I ran it at NICB:
VINCheckSM Theft Record    

124679N641157 has not been identified as a vehicle listed in the VINCheckSM Theft Records.

VINCheckSM is updated regularly as additional information is reported.
VINCheckSM Total Loss Record
AutoCheck
Further information is available through AutoCheck .    

124679N641157 has not been identified as a vehicle listed in the VINCheckSM Total Loss Records.

VINCheckSM is updated regularly as additional information is reported.

So it might still be out there. Run it at the US Gov title clearing house and see what pops up. You won't get personal owners data but you will be location by county or state if it is registered.
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 console gauge/ tach question on: December 14, 2013, 03:30:37 PM
You have a lot going on.
Good to hear the Tachometer is stable. What seats did you go with? 3 point seatbelts from who? Okay on to your trouble....

Sounds stupid but pull off a headlight connector, and put your multi-meter on your low beam bulb connection? zero Ohms would indicate no filament. Also check the connection at the high-beam switch - location leaves it prone to moisture and rot out is common.

The courtesy lights are switched two ways the headlight knob turned to the click position all the way clockwise is ON. Or the door jam switch which actually grounds the circuit. Lift the wire lights go out. Touch to jam lights on. So check both door switches. If that doesn't solve it you might have a dead short someplace.

Fog Lights? Do you mean parking lights up front in the valance? They rely on great grounds to the sheet metal, slightly off no lights - park or turn. If you have turn but no park double check that you have two filament bulbs installed. Should be amber and have off set pins on the sides of the base so in theory they only install one way.

Just watching it snow here and revising my old how to document. Should have it done by the time I need to dig out the Jeep.
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