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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 CAMARO Z/28 FIA Recognition Form 5293
« on: April 06, 2011, 06:39:17 PM »
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 CAMARO Z/28 FIA Recognition Form 5293
« on: April 06, 2011, 06:38:07 PM »
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 CAMARO Z/28 FIA Recognition Form 5293
« on: April 06, 2011, 06:37:16 PM »
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Trans-Am Camaros / 1969 CAMARO Z/28 FIA Recognition Form 5293
« on: April 06, 2011, 06:32:20 PM »
These 1969 Z/28 Camaro FIA forms are a little different than the 1449 forms that Jon posted.
This copy seems to take effect on July 1, 1969, where the item Jon posted was from January 1, 1969. Instead of FIA REC #1449, this version is stamped FIA REC #5293. The FIA REC #1449 appears to use the 1967 and 1968 for additional background, where this FIA REC #5293 seems to rely on only itself.
These FIA REC #5293 forms were acquired through the Automobile Competition Committee for the United States (ACCUS), FIA, Inc. Burdette "Birdie"/"Berdie" Martin is who I spoke with at he ACCUS, FIA, to get these forms. Mr. Martin has done many things in racing, but perhaps of most interest to this forum, he served as chief steward for the SCCA Trans-Am during it's glory years.
-Chad
This copy seems to take effect on July 1, 1969, where the item Jon posted was from January 1, 1969. Instead of FIA REC #1449, this version is stamped FIA REC #5293. The FIA REC #1449 appears to use the 1967 and 1968 for additional background, where this FIA REC #5293 seems to rely on only itself.
These FIA REC #5293 forms were acquired through the Automobile Competition Committee for the United States (ACCUS), FIA, Inc. Burdette "Birdie"/"Berdie" Martin is who I spoke with at he ACCUS, FIA, to get these forms. Mr. Martin has done many things in racing, but perhaps of most interest to this forum, he served as chief steward for the SCCA Trans-Am during it's glory years.
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Wheels used on Trans-Am Camaros
« on: April 06, 2011, 05:05:13 AM »
Hello Jon,
On the Vintage Engineering Minilite style magnesium wheel, Ray still makes the casting with "texture" in the spokes (front and back). If the spokes didn't have this, they just wouldn't look right.
Where you can really see the casting quality difference is in the machined areas. I'm no metallurgist, but you can visibly see that the grain of the material is much tighter, without the porosity, or small air pocket voids that are visible here and there in both my used and unused original magnesium Minilites.
The picture of the wheel backside on the DOW 7 treated magnesium Minilite style wheels I posted above, specifically the machined hub mounting flange, best shows the casting and material quality I'm trying to point out with the Vintage Engineering wheels.
Ray Franklin of Vintage Engineering was even careful to copy the slight machining of the outboard casted flats near the wheel lip for me. Though not all original Minilites were finish machined this way, the original sets I have were, and I wanted these new wheels finished to match.
-Chad
On the Vintage Engineering Minilite style magnesium wheel, Ray still makes the casting with "texture" in the spokes (front and back). If the spokes didn't have this, they just wouldn't look right.
Where you can really see the casting quality difference is in the machined areas. I'm no metallurgist, but you can visibly see that the grain of the material is much tighter, without the porosity, or small air pocket voids that are visible here and there in both my used and unused original magnesium Minilites.
The picture of the wheel backside on the DOW 7 treated magnesium Minilite style wheels I posted above, specifically the machined hub mounting flange, best shows the casting and material quality I'm trying to point out with the Vintage Engineering wheels.
Ray Franklin of Vintage Engineering was even careful to copy the slight machining of the outboard casted flats near the wheel lip for me. Though not all original Minilites were finish machined this way, the original sets I have were, and I wanted these new wheels finished to match.
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Wheels used on Trans-Am Camaros
« on: April 06, 2011, 04:30:14 AM »
Hello Mike and Jon,
Here is a picture of the 15 X 7 magnesium Torq-Thrust "D" wheels on the front of my 1966 Shelby B-Production race car. Again, I only post these to a Camaro forum because Jon asked for them, and they help show what's cheater about the previously posted 15 X 9 wheels.
The backspacing on this rim is ~3 1/2". The measurement from the outboard center cap mounting flange to the outer lip is ~1 1/2". If you compare measurements, you'll see that the outboard wheel "lip" is roughly identical to the cheater 15 X 9 wheels noted and pictured above, but the back spacing is roughly 2" less.
The tires are Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Specials, size 6.00-15. These tires are the same as what's shown on the cheater 15 X 9 wheels above. You should be able to see more of a tire sidewall bulge with these tires mounted on this narrower wheel.
-Chad
Here is a picture of the 15 X 7 magnesium Torq-Thrust "D" wheels on the front of my 1966 Shelby B-Production race car. Again, I only post these to a Camaro forum because Jon asked for them, and they help show what's cheater about the previously posted 15 X 9 wheels.
The backspacing on this rim is ~3 1/2". The measurement from the outboard center cap mounting flange to the outer lip is ~1 1/2". If you compare measurements, you'll see that the outboard wheel "lip" is roughly identical to the cheater 15 X 9 wheels noted and pictured above, but the back spacing is roughly 2" less.
The tires are Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Specials, size 6.00-15. These tires are the same as what's shown on the cheater 15 X 9 wheels above. You should be able to see more of a tire sidewall bulge with these tires mounted on this narrower wheel.
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Wheels used on Trans-Am Camaros
« on: April 06, 2011, 04:14:18 AM »
Hello Mike and Jon,
Here are a couple pictures of my "cheater" 15 X 9 magnesium Torq-Thrust "D" wheels. These are on the rear of my 1966 Shelby B-Production race car. I only post these to a Camaro forum because Jon asked for them.
The measurement from the outboard center cap mounting flange to the outer lip is ~1 1/2". The backspacing on these rims is ~5 1/2".
The tires are Goodyear Blue Streak Sportscar Specials 6.00-15 that were generally available to vintage racers about 10 years ago. I point the size of tire out because I'll later post a picture of the front wheels with the same size tire.
These rear wheels would be illegal to run in west coast HMSA or General Racing events.
-Chad
Here are a couple pictures of my "cheater" 15 X 9 magnesium Torq-Thrust "D" wheels. These are on the rear of my 1966 Shelby B-Production race car. I only post these to a Camaro forum because Jon asked for them.
The measurement from the outboard center cap mounting flange to the outer lip is ~1 1/2". The backspacing on these rims is ~5 1/2".
The tires are Goodyear Blue Streak Sportscar Specials 6.00-15 that were generally available to vintage racers about 10 years ago. I point the size of tire out because I'll later post a picture of the front wheels with the same size tire.
These rear wheels would be illegal to run in west coast HMSA or General Racing events.
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing seats
« on: April 05, 2011, 04:09:25 AM »
About 8 years ago I sourced some replicas of these original GM racing seats, and took some pictures of one next to a Shelby R-model seat. I took the pictures because several folks thought the GM piece was the same, or close, to a Shelby R-model seat. I think these pictures illustrate just how different these seat shells really are.
-Chad
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Racing seats
« on: April 05, 2011, 04:03:54 AM »
Forum member "Sixteen Grand Sedan #56" was kind enough to turn me on to one of the original GM racing seats about 13 years ago. My seat was never used and had the GM part number on a piece of masking tape between the cover and the shell padding. Though my original GM racing seat looks very similar to the first item posted by Jon, the cover is slightly different. My cover extends over the steel bracing on the upper backside of the seat.
-Chad
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Wheels used on Trans-Am Camaros
« on: April 03, 2011, 05:48:13 AM »
I believe the best real magnesium wheels being made for early Trans-Am era cars come from Ray Frankin at Vintage Engineering. Ray's Torq-Thrust and Minilite style wheels are incredibly accurate, and the raw material and casting quality is the best I've seen.
I have an unused set of original magnesium Minilites that have never been without paint, and have never seen rain or moisture. The casting quality of these original Minilites is nice, but the Vintage Engineering wheels have a much tighter "grain." I guess others might describe the Vintage Engineering wheels as having much less visible porosity.
I've attached a picture of one of Ray's wheels in bare magnesium, though treated with DOW 7. I wish I could post a larger image size to this forum, because a higher resolution would better illustrate the quality of the casting.
Vintage Engineering's site, and much of their other efforts with McLaren and Lola castings and parts can be seen here:
http://vintageeng.com/MagWheelsProduct.html
Ray doesn't feature his Trans-Am style wheels prominently on his site, but I'm sure he can provide you more detailed shots for those interested.
-Chad
I have an unused set of original magnesium Minilites that have never been without paint, and have never seen rain or moisture. The casting quality of these original Minilites is nice, but the Vintage Engineering wheels have a much tighter "grain." I guess others might describe the Vintage Engineering wheels as having much less visible porosity.
I've attached a picture of one of Ray's wheels in bare magnesium, though treated with DOW 7. I wish I could post a larger image size to this forum, because a higher resolution would better illustrate the quality of the casting.
Vintage Engineering's site, and much of their other efforts with McLaren and Lola castings and parts can be seen here:
http://vintageeng.com/MagWheelsProduct.html
Ray doesn't feature his Trans-Am style wheels prominently on his site, but I'm sure he can provide you more detailed shots for those interested.
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Wheels used on Trans-Am Camaros
« on: April 02, 2011, 10:44:15 PM »
Hello Mike,
I have a set of the cheater 15" X 9" magnesium Torq-Thrust "D" wheels that are on the back of my '66 Shelby B-Production car. The outside wheel lip looks like a standard 7" or 8" wheel, but the extra width is all on the in-board side. Since I don't run the car with vintage racing orgs, I've not felt the need to put the car back to a legal wheel width.
My cheater wheels are stamped/dated 6 67 (June '67) on the center cap mounting flange. The previous owner of my Shelby said that he bought them from Bud Moore, but I have no way to confirm that.
I can take a picture when I get to the car, if others are interested. They are 4 on 4 1/2" bolt pattern, so perhaps they're not as interesting or appropriate to a first gen Camaro forum.
-Chad
I have a set of the cheater 15" X 9" magnesium Torq-Thrust "D" wheels that are on the back of my '66 Shelby B-Production car. The outside wheel lip looks like a standard 7" or 8" wheel, but the extra width is all on the in-board side. Since I don't run the car with vintage racing orgs, I've not felt the need to put the car back to a legal wheel width.
My cheater wheels are stamped/dated 6 67 (June '67) on the center cap mounting flange. The previous owner of my Shelby said that he bought them from Bud Moore, but I have no way to confirm that.
I can take a picture when I get to the car, if others are interested. They are 4 on 4 1/2" bolt pattern, so perhaps they're not as interesting or appropriate to a first gen Camaro forum.
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for CAMARO Z/28
« on: March 21, 2011, 07:08:46 PM »
Pages 7-9 of 1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28.
-Chad
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for CAMARO Z/28
« on: March 21, 2011, 07:07:37 PM »
Pages 4-6 of 1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28.
-Chad
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / 1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for CAMARO Z/28
« on: March 21, 2011, 07:06:03 PM »
Pages 1-3 of 1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28. Posting file size restrictions of the forum require that these be split into multiple submissions.
Per the PRE-1969 documents I also uploaded, these forms were acquired from Charlton Jones, and with them came a note from him that stated:
"These are the actual recognition papers I carried in 1969 to the Trans-Am events as series scrutineer."
-Chad
Per the PRE-1969 documents I also uploaded, these forms were acquired from Charlton Jones, and with them came a note from him that stated:
"These are the actual recognition papers I carried in 1969 to the Trans-Am events as series scrutineer."
-Chad
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Trans-Am Camaros / PRE-1969 SCCA SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for CAMARO Z/28
« on: March 21, 2011, 06:51:27 PM »
Per the subject title, these forms preceded the 1969 SEDAN CATEGORY RECOGNITION FORMS for the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28.
These forms were acquired from Charlton Jones, and with them came a note from Charlton that stated:
"These are the actual recognition papers I carried in 1969 to the Trans-Am events as series scrutineer."
-Chad
These forms were acquired from Charlton Jones, and with them came a note from Charlton that stated:
"These are the actual recognition papers I carried in 1969 to the Trans-Am events as series scrutineer."
-Chad