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796  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / What kind of transmission do you have in your 69 Z? on: November 27, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Ok a poll for JUST 69 Z/28 guys. In a recent thread we were speculating what the percentage is for each transmission installed from the factory and it was suggested the CRG could have some numbers from its members cars so then it would give us a good enough sample size to have a good idea of what percentage of each transmission was installed in the 69 Z/28. Again this is just for the 1969 Z/28. I am from the understanding that all Z/28's came with a muncie, but I put the option for a sagnaw or other just in case somebody has a documented car with something other than a muncie.

I also put in the option in this poll for members to vote more than once if they happen to have more than one 1969 Z/28, but make sure you don't accidentally vote more than once (if you own only 1) or it will throw off the poll. (if you do make a mistake, you can change your vote)

*I will also do a poll for 1969 NON Z/28 cars (SS, COPO, Plain jane, 6 cylinder, etc) because I would like to also see how the transmissions were dispersed among all the other factory 4 speed cars. Once completed this should give us an idea of how often each transmission was installed.
797  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 27, 2013, 04:16:40 PM
maybe a poll would help..... (see the new poll)
798  Site Comments / Discussion / Test Drive / What Kind of transmission do you have in your 69 Z on: November 27, 2013, 01:21:17 PM
Ok a poll for JUST 69 Z/28 guys. In a recent thread we were speculating what the percentage is for each transmission installed from the factory and it was suggested the CRG could have some numbers from its members cars so then it would give us a good enough sample size to have a good idea of what percentage of each transmission was installed in the 69 Z/28. Again this is just for the 1969 Z/28. I am from the understanding that all Z/28's came with a muncie, but I put the option for a sagnaw or other just in case somebody has a documented car with something other than a muncie.

I also put in the option in this poll for members to vote more than once if they happen to have more than one 1969 Z/28, but make sure you don't accidentally vote more than once (if you own only 1) or it will throw off the poll. (if you do make a mistake, you can change your vote)

*I will also do a poll for 1969 NON Z/28 cars (SS, COPO, Plain jane, 6 cylinder, etc) because I would like to also see how the transmissions were dispersed among all the other factory 4 speed cars. Once completed this should give us an idea of how often each transmission was installed. Smiley
799  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 27, 2013, 03:24:49 AM
I didn't think you could get a saginaw in a 69 Z.
I could guess..  Smiley     

65% M20,  35% M21, and 5% M22   .... (purely a guess based on the ones I've seen and knew about, including many back in '69). 

I suspect that if a Z28 was 'dealership/factory specified', it was M20.   If it was special ordered, then MOST buyers went with the M21, and a few with the M22 (who knew about it, planned some HD racing and wanted to spend the extra $).   The 'close ratio' 4-speed was the term you 'heard' from those ordering a new Z28 back then; it was sorta a buzz word, like 'high lift' racing cam!  Smiley   I doubt all of them really knew the difference in how their car was going to drive.  By 1969, there were a lot of people ordering new Z28's who weren't not 'racing inspired'. 
I am not a mathematician  but 65% + 35% + 5% ? wouldn't that be 105% . Somethings gotta give there so how about 65, 30, and 5.
800  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Sand blasting... Chassis on: November 26, 2013, 12:49:31 AM
Are we just talking mostly the front sub-frame? or can you provide any pics?. A picture on the CRG is worth a thousand (helpful) words. The more detail we have the better we can help you most of the time.
801  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cowl tags on: November 25, 2013, 08:46:09 PM
Good point. But really the car is as good as the seller sometimes. What I mean us all these cars were new once with all the docs, little by little seller by seller they changed or had the luck of not changing and passing that originality on to the next owner.
802  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cowl tags on: November 25, 2013, 01:31:02 PM
I thought they might have a forth line on them like 67 did that said like "4LP" or something that designated possibly a 4 speed or Z/28 or just different trim.
803  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cowl tags on: November 25, 2013, 11:21:43 AM
All my sweat shirts are unrestored survivor condition... Cheesy

I understand what you guys are saying. I wasn't sure if there was anything on the cowl tag that would have identified it as a ss-350 car. So in 68 the only thing the tag tells you is color combination, where it was put together, and build month and week?
804  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: maybe i can get on: November 25, 2013, 04:25:53 AM
I just watched a video from Jay lenos garage, int he video the GM rep says they are going to limit production to 1500 units per year. But when asked about price he just says north of the ZL-1. So if a ZL-1 base price is around 56k, the Z/28 may be around 60 to 62k? I am still hunting for a definitive price on this machine.
805  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cowl tags on: November 25, 2013, 12:29:22 AM
If he doesn't have any documentation, What information does he have that shows it was originally a SS 350 car? In other words how does he know what is correct?
806  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum Anahiem on: November 24, 2013, 06:12:24 PM
yah there almost as bad as Joe Buck and Tim Mcarver calling the world series.
807  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cowl tags on: November 24, 2013, 02:43:06 AM
They are out there do a search on the internet. Note In some states it is illegal to replace it, even if missing or damaged.  You can get one from a junked car if you are just looking to put something on the firewall. I would disclose this to any future buyers though, because if de-coded it will make your whole car seem like a fraud.

What is basis for wanting a new tag, just to have it on the firewall?
The best case scenario is if you have an original invoice or paperwork that shows the options of the car, get a replacement tag based on that info, but still disclose to buyers that it is a replacement tag IMO
808  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: real tag? on: November 23, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
I am pretty sure she is fake , just like the trim tag...  Shocked
809  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69Z hard start, backfires on acceleration, stalls when breaking, related issues? on: November 23, 2013, 09:18:09 PM
If they are old plugs not a bad idea. I would give it whirl with the ones you had if they are fairly new. Hell even if they aren't it only takes a minute to swap them out. I assumed your spark plug wires are in good shape, but I would follow Cooks advice if number 5 continues to be an issue.
810  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 69 rear brakes on: November 23, 2013, 09:10:38 PM
Gary, a man of many words... Cheesy
j/k (most of the time a paragraph of info)

Yes, but it touches the adjuster just a little bit. There really only 2 ways to install the spring: 1)The wrong way with the spring resting right on top of the adjuster wheel. 2) You want to install it with the larger hook of the spring going over the adjuster wheel, and into the other shoe. And then the metal bracket ( the one with the white ink stamp in the picture) rests against the adjuster and provides a little tension, so when you get the drum on and adjust the shoes you hear the clicking of that piece on the wheel (also so it won't back off). Hope this gives you some more insight, or maybe you just needed the "yes" from Gary.
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