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346  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69' Z/28 on eBay... What a Car! on: January 12, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
he shows one original pic, but the letter next to it says there is another, you want to inquire about him posting the second pic. Jano made a good point about the body work, if there were any pics taken then. It looks like some others have taken notice on how clean this car is, (62k reserve not met)
347  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69' Z/28 on eBay... What a Car! on: January 12, 2014, 06:25:21 AM
I agree with ZLP, someone has installed all the X33 items (except the quarter louvers) on  X77 car. PTB stamps, the heat shields ( spoilers added) on the passenger side of the block, & also came with a flat hood.
The resto looks very clean, I like the endura front bumper and the color is awesome
348  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Silver Z pictures from 1971 with second owner on: January 12, 2014, 06:06:56 AM
Great pic, although the young man doesn't seem to excited....
349  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Silver Z pictures from 1971 with second owner on: January 11, 2014, 02:03:35 PM
Those are cool pics! I am hoping something like that comes to light from the owners of my car.
350  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 11, 2014, 02:00:49 PM
I too love the original flat hood no spoiler look but can always find something to like on any first gen. Camaro. I find it fascinating that a lot of the cars you see on here are as unique as there owners. It would be boring if they were all just cookie cutters.

good point.
351  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Yahoo article about a Camaro ZL1 totaled on: January 11, 2014, 02:53:02 AM
I feel for the guy. You buy your dream car, probably took awesome care of it. The you bring it to the dealer to get a small (paint) issue resolved and one of their employees wrecks it. I thought dealerships carried insurance for such occurrences ? While I have no idea what "comparable " cars they are offering him, I would want a new car if I was him, or find a comparable car at another dealer and let them work it how to put it in his hands.
352  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 02:39:15 PM
All I m saying is there are a lot of base cars still around like when I was in school (90's) that you can pick up for 5K, and a honda with 70k miles is about 3 or 4k. It isn't about the money, it is more about the know how and nostalgia. they want to look good but don't want to put the work in. It is like the do it yourselfers vs the buy it finished crowd. IMO
353  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 12:52:50 PM
They always say "I cannot afford the Camaro".    Why is that I ask?    The answer is usually along these lines:  "You old guys still fight over these cars and we are priced out of the market..I cannot afford a Camaro that is not a 1975-1977 but I still want a good one.

The follow up is the kicker...I ask what are you going to do about it.... the reply is "get a better job and wait you guys out - we will get your cars eventually". 
Here my take since I may not fit into the target of the "old guys" crowd yet.
I think "the old guys" may compete more for the numbers type of cars (i know I do). There are a ton of affordable first gen Camaros out there still, as well as mustangs, and most other base cars.

The issue isn't price as much as it is nostalgia, and wanting it bad enough vs. being content with an import or newer car:
I have always been around older stuff, my mom and aunt always dragged my sister and I to antique stores when we were young, my mom drove a 67 Austin Healy 3000 (which she still has) my dad drove a Volkswagen bus. My mom bought her car 6 months used my dad bought his 71 bus new, but I was born quite a ways after that, we never actually had a "new" car. In fact my parents drove both those cars as their daily drivers well into the 1990's, and still have them today. (It was safe to say we were on the bottom rung of the middle class  Cheesy  )I had hand me down hot wheels and the old style metal tootsie toys as a kid, and very once in a while I would get a nice 1/18th scale or smaller nice adult collector car for a birthday or Christmas.  By the time I was about 14 and asked what I wanted I had no clue, and this perplexed me at the time, because the thought had never crossed my mind. So I looked at all my cars and decided on the 1962 Ferrari GTO. An awesome, beautiful car, and still one of my absolute favorites, BUT at 14 I had snuck into a concors de elegance, saw them on the lawn and then realized oh well theres no way thats going to work out. So what is the next best closest thing, I thought well maybe I could get a ..... wait for it......Fiero! thats right a pontiac fiero was the closest thing that looked like the Ferrari to me. But the more i looked at the fiero, (and it was on its way out at that time) the guys who drove them were posers, so I didn't want to associate with fags. I was with my mom one day when she asked again, I said I don't know maybe something older, and then I heard a car pass us, it sounded good even in stock form and I asked my mom what kind of car it was. She said "oh thats a Mustang, there good cars". (it was a 65 coupe with a 289) Well when I thought about it a moment, I asked how much were they, and said said she didn't think that they were all that expensive. So even though I could have saved up for a 80's Camaro, Fiero, but they didn't have the timeless class of a "classic car" (thats we called them then, not muscle cars). So I saved up money cutting lawns working at safeway and in the summers doing construction with my uncle and bought a project 65 mustang fastback. Through cleaning that car up, and then maintaining through high school I learned the hard way, and with the other car guys in high school in metal shop and auto shop we rebuilt transmissions and pulled motors, did drum brakes. I got a sense it was all very similar to the legos I had, and if you followed a plan of putting stuff together, it looked nice and functioned when you were done.
Once i had one car, then I thought the next best thing was 2 and 3 and 4 cars, and before long I had a 55 chevy 2 door post, a 66 Chevelle SS, and then I bought another. Life was good. It was the great times I had in high school with other guys that had a  Chevelle, bug, and el camino, and doing the burn outs, and street racing/ sears point 1/4 mile drags on grudge night.

My point is I was around the cars. There was only me and like 5 other guys that had classic cars in high school. None of our cars was the HiPo version or SS. my mustang was a V8 the Chevelle my friend had was just a Malibu, and the el caminos were just plain jain el caminos. (the SS chevelles I had right after high school & I had one rich friend who's dad splurged and got him the 69 Z/28 when he wanted just a 69 350 car). All the cars we had in high school are not a whole lot more today, but our auto shop and metal shop got turned into a dance studio a few years after I graduated, and less and less guys drove older cars after I graduated. So to me the guys that see the Finished first gen camaros now like them but do not have the memories of a friend having one, and have no clue how to wrench on them,  let alone the beauty/simplicity of the small block chevy.
So this younger generation will wait until they have some money to buy a finished one when their older that they most likely will not know how to work on.
The only salvation right now is the kids of classic car owners who have a interest and the parents put a wrench or bond in their hand, OR the rat rod group has injected some new blood into the hobby lately.
354  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 RS/SS 350 just found on: January 10, 2014, 04:49:49 AM
well the more original info you have, the better, is an easy rule of thumb. "important" can mean so many things, and be different for different people.I would break it down like this: Original build sheet- probably one of the most sought after pieces of documentation along with..
protecto plate- another valuable tool in checking a car for originality
provenance from dealer to current owner- yes nice to have or know, but not as important as the previous 2. (If you don't have the previous 2 than obviously more important)

So IMO the protecto plate would be number 1 followed closely by the build sheet.
Another nice one you didn't mention but some really fortunate guys have is the window sticker.

How about some pics of the 67 you just picked up?

Welcome to the site!
355  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 11:26:23 PM
its NOT the hugger orange !!!

j/k
Man with your collection each of your relatives could pick 2 Grin
356  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 09, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
by the way it was my mistake, I didn't realize it was your car Chick. I thought it was a image you had grabbed off the net, to show us the hood. So if I had a rewind button or a do over,

"nice hood"
357  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 09, 2014, 03:57:49 AM
Sometimes it is nicer to just keep your opinion to yourself. I think this was one of those times.

Glad to see you chime in, to aid (?) the conversation?  I apologized, we can all pull up our big girl panties now, and move on right?
358  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 09, 2014, 12:37:23 AM
Sorry, I am just not a big billet fan. I like the wheels and color, but thats what makes this a great hobby everybody has different tastes and opinions on what looks good. Obviously there is a huge market for the aftermarket items I mentioned, so I am probably in the minority. No disrespect was meant, thats why I said in my opinion (IMO).  Smiley
359  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 08, 2014, 07:57:19 PM
The hood,   Cool cool. The Spoiler, headlight rings, turn signal lenses, and billet hood hinges not so much  Tongue IMO
360  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 08, 2014, 06:38:57 PM
I like both combinations,  what's not to like about most any early  Camaro,
The 69 Z28 I now have was originally built w/ flat hood, chambered exhaust, No spoilers,  I was searching  for this combination when I found it .
 Cool
Good point, but how about a pic for us?
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