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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 05:26:47 PM »

The weight points towards the firewall

Well thats what is debatable, JohnZ car it is pointed towards firewall, and it also shows that in the AIM. I have seen original cars with it both ways (weight pointed to the firewall, or pointed to the frame rail). It made me wonder if they switched the way they mounted them, Maybe later 69 cars have it pointed towards the firewall? or who was working that shift on the line when installing? Just a wild guess on my part.

Sorry, I mis typed. John Z car IT IS pointed towards the frame rail. Mine is pointed towards the firewall, I have seen it both ways on original cars. I am unsure if one is correct and the other is not.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 05:29:32 AM »

The weight points towards the firewall

Well thats what is debatable, JohnZ car it is pointed towards firewall, and it also shows that in the AIM. I have seen original cars with it both ways (weight pointed to the firewall, or pointed to the frame rail). It made me wonder if they switched the way they mounted them, Maybe later 69 cars have it pointed towards the firewall? or who was working that shift on the line when installing? Just a wild guess on my part.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 04:16:48 AM »

Hey Mike,

which way is yours installed like John Z, or like the pics I posted? what is the build date of your car? (just curious if they may have installed it differently at one point)

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 03:32:46 AM »

Yes, thats what I see as well.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 03:22:37 AM »

the spring retainer pin is pointing at the frame rail, and the counter weight is parallel to the frame.
 (Valve is in the same position as the first pic I put up, just different angle --> HEAD ON perspective instead of from the SIDE)

So I am not convinced there was only one way they were installed on the line, (yet)...

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 03:12:38 AM »

here is one more from an RS  Z:
But I also have some original pics of some 69 Z cars with it mounted like John Z.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 15, 2013, 01:13:57 AM »

According to my July 1969 issue of the 1967-1969 Camaro Master Parts catalog, the heat riser valve is the same part number for the 1967 thru 1969, 302ci, 327ci, and 350 ci engines and that part number is #3887023.  I have my original 1968 Z28 heat riser valve in my hand and it looks identical to the NOS one shown above.  I would take a picture of mine but being it looks identical, I see no reason for another picture.

BTW.....the 1969 AIM shows in the exact position as John Z's.

I saw that in the AIM, and wonder if they were all assembled like that. I have found a couple pics of so called" original cars " where they were installed vertical or parallel to the frame rail.
As I said mine could have been turned by accident(?) when the new exhaust was installed, just seemed unlikely.
(here is a pic of a so called original)

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Restoration / Re: new restoration endevour

« on: November 15, 2013, 12:07:21 AM »

I would respectfully disagree: they have both survived numerous decades of weather and good/bad storage and still retain 95% or more of their original paint, and it appears most of the interior sheet metal also survived and possibly a lot of the upholstery. The other aspect to consider is both of these cars have survived their owners instincts to take advice from others to repaint or restore. IMO it is examples such as these that give the rest of us a clear "picture" of how the car left the factory, and works as a guide for all those restoring cars what would have been correct. (colors, fitment, part numbers etc)
I wouldn't say anyone is trying to make a fellow CRG member feel bad, we are (as you are) just giving friendly advice.

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Restoration / Re: new restoration endevour

« on: November 14, 2013, 09:25:02 AM »

I, too, have been asking the same questions of others, as well as myself, about what to do with this car needing similar work. I would certainly love to be cruising around in a fully restored and shiny silver 69 RS SS but, for me, the financial responsibility of a proper restoration and the upkeep afterwards is way too much right now. I love using the car...getting in it and driving it. I like the fact that it is an old used car that happens to be a cool Camaro. Rarely do you see a "beater" first gen on the road anymore. A car like this attracts a lot of attention too, mostly from other car enthusiasts...non enthusiasts don't really appreciate them. The question "Is it for sale?" is asked very often because, I guess, a car in this condition is viewed as obtainable...like, I'm not doing anything with it. Most, it seems, are "flippers" looking to make some cash.
The rust in various areas is getting to me and has to be dealt with. I'm struggling with this because it is sort of a "survivor" and I don't want to be just hanging new panels all over it because not only does it decrease its survivor value but is crosses that restoration line...(like, where do you stop?). Some have suggested that if I can't afford it I should sell it. In fact, most body shops I talked to had more interest in trying to buy the car from me than help me fix it. Recently, I've been in touch with a body man in my area (does some work for Ken Lucas) that understands my predicament and has expressed interest in fixing what I have and maintaining the appearance. I trust his knowledge of Camaro body work and he has an artistic eye for custom work that I think will be good for my application. I am an auto mechanic by trade so I'm able to do all "mechanical" work myself. Also, I am fortunate enough to own a 68 RS with a recent makeover and a few custom goodies which fulfill my shiny fast car fix. That has an influence on my decision to leave the 69 alone.
Regardless, this has been a tough decision for me to find a balance between whats right for the car (because I love Camaros and the hobby) and whats right for me financially and for my enjoyment. I think knowing what you want and what you will enjoy is the key. If you want a survivor, we will help and support you. If you want to take on a restoration, we will help and support you. Of course, you could throw that engine in there, cruise the countryside and think about it for a while.

John

Hey John I would like to see more pics of your car as well, start a new post for those of us that are fans of " the unrestored" to see some pics please 

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Restoration / Re: new restoration endevour

« on: November 14, 2013, 09:20:01 AM »

Quote: Of course, you could throw that engine in there, cruise the countryside and think about it for a while. Smiley

Best thing I've heard all day...she's a driving, survivor, work in progress !!! I want to get her on the road and just take my time and have some fun...would rather put money into a nice carb. and Mallory distributor right now.

X2!! (I also like the flat hood and color)
I think you'd have a smile from ear to ear just driving it as is.
My car is not a show car has rock chips and the like, the previous owner had some paint touched up in the rear quarters where the salt was starting to impact, like yours. The number of cars out there with mostly original paint I have to think is pretty low, and every time one of those gets restored/repainted it just means the originals are little bit more rare. Buff it out and detail as is, would be a cheap start, and awesome look.
Welcome to site & good luck with it!

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General Discussion / Re: 68 Z28 on the CRG Home Page

« on: November 14, 2013, 04:16:44 AM »

I would have ran that original paint and stencil kit, that is a one of a kind look, with the racing history to back it up. & I am pretty sure he had the only "tiny might" camaro out there...

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 11, 2013, 06:17:02 PM »

Well I am a little confused. Are the to valves you posted the same part or are they different? they both look like they have a bevel in each picture.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 11, 2013, 04:03:12 PM »

If you installed it just as it is pictured it would be in the same position as mine. Here is another pic
( again sorry that it cut off a bit, when I took the pic it was of the whole side of the motor)

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 survivor that wasnt. Is it even a real #'s matching Z ?

« on: November 11, 2013, 02:11:36 AM »

He wanted to make sure you wee using your wood screws to hold it on....

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Originality / Re: 69 Z28 passenger exhaust manifold pic

« on: November 10, 2013, 07:26:07 PM »

Hey Gary, let me start off by saying my exhaust system was replaced at one point so someone could have rotated my valve. But looking at your picture if you flip it over and look at John Z pic you would have it in the same position as his. For my car if you flipped it over and then turned it a 1/3 of a turn clockwise it would be how mine is installed.

So from what I see John and I have it facing the other way and John has the weight down, you rotate it 1/3 clockwise, and the weight would be up, like mine is (you just can't see it in the photo sorry).  If you look at the peg that the spring is retained by in my pics you may see what I am saying.

There might be someone on the CRG that has a V-8 Camaro with the original pipes and valve still installed on there car that may give us more insight. Maybe one of those original small block pace car guys could post a pic?