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General Discussion / Re: Another HO Z28..

« on: April 07, 2014, 11:13:40 PM »

You know I am on EBAY 24/7 and saw this car soon after it was posted. The story of some blocks being stamped and some weren't seems suspect without a professional inspector being able to say so and back it up with factual cars showing the same info. He says the engine is original if it wasn't than a CE block would be in there??? What if Joe Smoe swapped out the block for another 302 like 95% of all the other restored Z cars out there? He doesn't say anything about that.

Another X77 car with X33 trim, no vin pic, no trim tag pic, (wavy) spoiler car but rear deck stripes incorrect.

So at this point all I can tell is it looks like a 69 camaro, but based on the description and pics, I couldn't for sure tell you it is even a real Z, let alone an orange one.

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"

« on: April 07, 2014, 10:55:04 PM »

X2 Jano. You have the right idea on inspecting cars. I think your example was a no brainer once you saw it in person. BUT I think for every guy trying to pass off a fake 69 Z there are 10 buyers who know very little- just that they really want one. I think there is enough fraud, in the hobby to warrant a second guru of  first gen Camaros. I know Steve Shauger is very knowledgable as well, especially with the show he puts on of original cars. I think someone of Steve or Jerry's caliber, maybe based closer to the west coast would be a great aid to us, and especially the first time buyers, or guys that don't crawl under cars or turn wrenches. It is a skill to be able to read between the lines and know what is correct and what someone is trying to make it look like.

I think more than one outlet to get your car certified correct or numbers matching would be beneficial. I have seen guys on this site have a nice car get inspected, and the motor or color was questioned on his report, and then the same car is looked at a few years later and now it is certified numbers matching and or paint correct. In those cases a back up report by another professional looking at the car may have prevented confusion on such vital points, of contention and value in addition to originality.

It is frustrating if you were/are the owner of such a car, and hear of a second inspection done or a prior one for that matter that turns up a different result than your report you paid for.

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"

« on: April 07, 2014, 04:57:05 PM »

How can you go though all of the effort to have the car verified and end up with a report that creates more questions than answers?

It seems like Jerry is the main game in town (right now), BUT maybe it signals that there is room for another first gen Camaro specialist out there?

I think the hobby would benefit from having more than one specialist. So if Jerry had a bad day, or human error took place and mistakes were made possibly. (I have seen over a dozen of Jerry's reports, which while I admit is a small sample, and have seen errors in paint codes, matching numbers drive train components, time window correct items. I also have noted that his reports are not all as uniform as you would imagine, which in some cases may not have been possible.) I think what is frustrating is when questioned about these inconsistencies similar to this cars report, there is not a urgency or a percieved "lets make it right" priority that I see takes place.

On the other hand I am not Jerry nor know his schedule or staff and time constraints. I have heard many people who are happy with a part or parts he has restored for them.  I am sure he has looked at more than a few thousand first gens for correctness and continues to do so, which helps him and our hobby. All I am saying is I think it would be nice if a a report was generated by him that had errors, it would be nice to have another independent outlet to turn to, who was at least as reputable and knowledgeable to do their own in depth report that would stack up equally to his.

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General Discussion / Re: No April Fools Cars?

« on: April 07, 2014, 04:15:05 PM »

Thanks Steve and Kurt (and the rest) for the time you put into this site. We all appreciate how you guys keep your egos out of the equation and always do what is best for the site. Please keep up the good work by trusting each other to carry out your individual responsibilities.

Besides the wealth of information, and the great Camaro owners I have met, I have to think this is a great site, since I haven't been kicked off yet....

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"

« on: April 06, 2014, 02:39:50 AM »

Well he has all the correct numbers of the trim tag on the report, because I thought maybe it was a different car as well.

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Gas tank date codes

« on: April 05, 2014, 11:18:58 PM »

Vellu same code as my 08C, good to know it was pretty uniform.

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"

« on: April 05, 2014, 08:10:26 PM »

saw the listing for this car. Seems strange that it is a cortez silver car, but then Jerry says it is a rare tuxedo black car? typo?

Made me wonder how accurate the report on this car was.

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General Discussion / Re: Is this a belated April Fools Joke?

« on: April 05, 2014, 08:07:21 PM »

Well first off the HO Z would be parted out,  if anything maybe re sprayed to a more desirable color.

 I understand your desire to purchase my car, if you are lucky maybe you will own a Garnet Red Z one day....

        

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General Discussion / Re: Niagara Falls Ontario 69 RS/SS vert current owner

« on: April 05, 2014, 04:55:11 PM »

That would be neat to find out. Update this thread with what you are able to find out please.

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General Discussion / Re: Is this a belated April Fools Joke?

« on: April 05, 2014, 04:54:11 PM »

I emailed him for some pics. Coincidently he is located pretty close to where I found my last good deal about this time last year.

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General Discussion / Re: Niagara Falls Ontario 69 RS/SS vert current owner

« on: April 05, 2014, 12:17:32 AM »

You may want to post it in the orphans section as well, since it seems the mission is to get the original motor back with the car.

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General Discussion / Re: No April Fools Cars?

« on: April 02, 2014, 07:30:47 PM »

it takes a lot of work ( and $ ) to make those cars look that bad. You take those same cars (prior to the mods) park them in a garage for 30 years I bet they would hold there value a ton better.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Here is my vin and trim tag from my H.O.Factory BB car please verify

« on: April 01, 2014, 06:32:05 PM »

its a fake!!!.    

Just kidding

Happy  April fools day 

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General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...?

« on: April 01, 2014, 02:48:08 PM »

thanks for the continued help in this endeavor!

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Paint decode for 69

« on: April 01, 2014, 05:24:31 AM »

any original paper work with the car or p.o.p.? I agree with z28z11 likely a flat hood car, I also noticed that the flapper parts were m.i.a. Going to put a flat hood on it too?