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Restoration / Re: Treating inside of rocker rails & the snow is gone!
« on: April 11, 2014, 04:19:25 AM »
hey Chris , I think you could just lend your car to me and send it back home to California .... ;D

I had a similar issue with a recent purchase and the rockers were so full of rocks, dirt, nests from different creatures....

I started by removing all the plugs I could get to. Next (if present)remove the rocker moulding. Then remove the lower bolt the attaches the fender on the very bottom of the car.
OK now whip out a hose or if you have a pressure washer and start in the front hole forcing it out the rear one, when you see the water running clear, switch to the rear and spray it in that hole towards the front. Keep repeating this procedure until it runs clear both ways.

You now can pull the fender a inch or so out at the bottom and use a spray nozzle all upside down, and hit every crevice.
Again keep moving it around until you don't see muddy water or debris coming out.

open up the door get the hose in there and spray past the door hinges as best you can.

What I found is while you don't want water and moisture in these areas, it is worse when the weep holes and provisions for the water to drain are clogged with dirt and scale and nests, and 40 years of crap.

Now once you are confident you got everything out you can bolt your fender back up and put your rocker moulding back on. Then re-install the good rubber plugs or put in some new ones.

Now if you really want to make it bullet proof you can go to Ziebart and have them spray there rubberized material in through the drains and what not, BUT if you are no longer driving it in the snow, dirt, and mud you will probably be fine without it.

I would take some spray paint, or undercoat in a can, and spray the bare metal that was in the pic. (If it was me I would get the mig welder out and fill those rust pin holes in first, followed by a small grinder or dremel in the tight spots to grind and smooth it down. )

This is what has worked for me. I am sure there is more than one way to do it though.. ;)

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WTG Danny

Your a trooper man, with 7 days of isolation, you will have plenty of time to post on here....and then soon you can resume your search for A Camaro!

In the mean while just tune into KNBR 680 and root on the S.F. Giants with me ! (tonights game is at 7:15)


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General Discussion / Re: This is a good looking car!
« on: April 10, 2014, 04:36:28 PM »
Looks like a repop trim tag, ??

Mike

thats what I was thinking, but why not go with a X33 if he was going to do that.

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General Discussion / Re: A Craigslist 69 Z??
« on: April 10, 2014, 04:34:33 PM »
stripes on deck lid are incorrect, but if it is a legit Z could be a deal.

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Originality / Re: Picture of 69 z top of engine wanted
« on: April 10, 2014, 02:10:10 PM »
Yes i read that, but 2 guys have posted (reply 15 & 17) saying they have seen them on 6A cars. So when John says around july or august of 69, I see someone say june and that is around july. We will have to see if more guys post about having it on there 06A cars and what the vin is.

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Originality / Re: Picture of 69 z top of engine wanted
« on: April 10, 2014, 04:31:15 AM »
so we know from 6A on they were installed. any may cars with them?

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Well I like many of the colors, and love a couple. But just as some guys don't like Garnet Red, there are some colors that it would be tough to purchase for me. But I am glad that everybody's different and the is a guy/gal out there for every color.

I was not around when these cars came out, nor the shoe box cars, or almost all the of vehicles on my bucket list. I guess I was just born with good taste.. ;D

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"
« on: April 08, 2014, 03:42:36 PM »
I have seen guys get a new report because in the initial report it was not reported to have the original motor. The new owner possibly has pulled the motor and the new report says original matching numbers motor. I am not privy to know the exact details of how each case came to be, but have seen this happen more than once. Original paint color or stripe color on a particular report may say "wrong stripe color" , but not fully explained, until another report is done a few years later, which more details come forward possibly, but now the report may say color on car is the way it left the factory. I am unsure how much new information is involved with a "new" report.

I agree with you as far as that statement standing out. It sounds good, BUT is there some secret Chevrolet records that Jerry has? Or is he saying for instance he may look at a car and say it looks like an original Z, so we know according to chevrolet records there were 20,302 produced, and we do not show any previous report in or data base that conflicts with this inspection, so :

" According to our data base and historical Chevrolet records, this car is an original Z/28."

Again Jerry has seen many up close around the country, and at the Camaro nationals, I a sure he is a wealth of knowledge. I am just saying instead of waiting for new info to come out on a car possibly, it may help a buyer or seller to get a second professional opinion on a car.

 Although I have heard suggestions that there should be many guys around the country to perform such a service, I do not agree with that. It may make sense logistically to have a few, but I think to reputable and to keep the hobby honest it would be best for a very small group of people to be the ones who actually certify. I truly believe operating initially independent of Jerry, so any findings are not skewed would be best. After initial inspection a collaboration (if possible) with Jerry would be optimal.
What I could see happening, is a buyer/seller getting a report from Jerry , and having questions that Jerry may or may not be able to satisfy with answers, and someone(s) contacting a second guy or service for another professional opinion, where maybe he says Jerry couldn't say for sure if the partial vin number by the oil filter were correct. Since we (buyer/seller) are talking about a swing of 50% of the cars value (or purchase price) based on the original motor being there can you please inspect the car to verify if it is an original motor or not.
With the rampant fraud, and how much guys are paying for these cars these days, I just think of it like a guy worked really hard for the money to buy this car, possibly tens of thousands of dollars, we need to get this as right as humanly possible at the time of inspection, and if there are any questions lets try to verify, and get all the facts before the report is generated.
Or this guy did a lot of work putting this car together lets do our due diligence to make sure we describe our findings as accurate possible and if there is a discrepancy, we need to make sure we describe what or why there is one, or what kind of factual evidence we did find, that led to our findings.

I understand I may be a lone voice in the wilderness saying this on this site.

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General Discussion / Re: Another HO Z28..
« on: April 08, 2014, 04:25:51 AM »
well not being able to make out the VIN, and a story about some of them leaving without it are 2 different things to me. it COULD be legit, but no pics of the tags, made it more suspect to me. I don't have the Rose Orange colored glasses on, sorry

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General Discussion / Re: No April Fools Cars?
« on: April 08, 2014, 04:14:30 AM »
True....

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Phillip you crack me up, you are on the Butternut yellow, like Gary is a nut about the hugger orange....

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General Discussion / Re: Another HO Z28..
« on: April 07, 2014, 11:19:10 PM »
BTW I have been in Jacks orange Z, which was quite nice, and a looker. Orange just isn't a must have for me. I sought out a original Garnet Red Z, and got exactly what I was looking for. If I bought another Z I wouldn't rule out orange, the originality would speak to me more though.

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General Discussion / Re: Another HO Z28..
« on: April 07, 2014, 11:13:40 PM »
You know I am on EBAY 24/7 and saw this car soon after it was posted. The story of some blocks being stamped and some weren't seems suspect without a professional inspector being able to say so and back it up with factual cars showing the same info. He says the engine is original if it wasn't than a CE block would be in there??? What if Joe Smoe swapped out the block for another 302 like 95% of all the other restored Z cars out there? He doesn't say anything about that.

Another X77 car with X33 trim, no vin pic, no trim tag pic, (wavy) spoiler car but rear deck stripes incorrect.

So at this point all I can tell is it looks like a 69 camaro, but based on the description and pics, I couldn't for sure tell you it is even a real Z, let alone an orange one.

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"
« on: April 07, 2014, 10:55:04 PM »
X2 Jano. You have the right idea on inspecting cars. I think your example was a no brainer once you saw it in person. BUT I think for every guy trying to pass off a fake 69 Z there are 10 buyers who know very little- just that they really want one. I think there is enough fraud, in the hobby to warrant a second guru of  first gen Camaros. I know Steve Shauger is very knowledgable as well, especially with the show he puts on of original cars. I think someone of Steve or Jerry's caliber, maybe based closer to the west coast would be a great aid to us, and especially the first time buyers, or guys that don't crawl under cars or turn wrenches. It is a skill to be able to read between the lines and know what is correct and what someone is trying to make it look like.

I think more than one outlet to get your car certified correct or numbers matching would be beneficial. I have seen guys on this site have a nice car get inspected, and the motor or color was questioned on his report, and then the same car is looked at a few years later and now it is certified numbers matching and or paint correct. In those cases a back up report by another professional looking at the car may have prevented confusion on such vital points, of contention and value in addition to originality.

It is frustrating if you were/are the owner of such a car, and hear of a second inspection done or a prior one for that matter that turns up a different result than your report you paid for.

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General Discussion / Re: Another 1969 Z/28 "Barn Find"
« on: April 07, 2014, 04:57:05 PM »
How can you go though all of the effort to have the car verified and end up with a report that creates more questions than answers?

It seems like Jerry is the main game in town (right now), BUT maybe it signals that there is room for another first gen Camaro specialist out there?

I think the hobby would benefit from having more than one specialist. So if Jerry had a bad day, or human error took place and mistakes were made possibly. (I have seen over a dozen of Jerry's reports, which while I admit is a small sample, and have seen errors in paint codes, matching numbers drive train components, time window correct items. I also have noted that his reports are not all as uniform as you would imagine, which in some cases may not have been possible.) I think what is frustrating is when questioned about these inconsistencies similar to this cars report, there is not a urgency or a percieved "lets make it right" priority that I see takes place.

On the other hand I am not Jerry nor know his schedule or staff and time constraints. I have heard many people who are happy with a part or parts he has restored for them.  I am sure he has looked at more than a few thousand first gens for correctness and continues to do so, which helps him and our hobby. All I am saying is I think it would be nice if a a report was generated by him that had errors, it would be nice to have another independent outlet to turn to, who was at least as reputable and knowledgeable to do their own in depth report that would stack up equally to his.

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