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Congrats, enjoy your "finished" muscle car.  :)
It is a stunner with the color combo. 8)

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 19, 2018, 03:20:39 PM »
Great pics, thanks James.
I knew you had been around many original cars. Other than the AC car which shows to have it in the AIM, seems most of the cars you have come across did not.
On that september of 68 car was there any evidence of it ever having the bracket?

General Discussion / Re: "muscle car" without posi
« on: June 19, 2018, 12:15:44 AM »
Danny, so you just don't like the catagory of pony car, since the mustang was the first to represent it? I would also say the early barracuda would be a "pony car". I wouldn't say the 289/302 mustangs, would be muscle cars, but I could see someone making the argument for the SS 350, or Z/28 being a muscle car. While the 327 283 (307) wouldn't be. Although i have had some 283's and 327's backed with a 4 speed, that would spin 8k all day long, and could hang out beat up on cars with more C.I.

General Discussion / Re: "muscle car" without posi
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:10:29 PM »
I would say sure a muscle car to me is more the motor and size (footprint) of the car. Many 66-70 Chevelles SS did not come with a Posi, but a 396 was standard. I would classify all them as muscle cars. I think where I take issue, is pony car vs. muscle car. To me the Z/28 and all small block camaros is more pony car than muscle car, and for sure the Mustangs would be more pony car, unless they had a big block.
Also IMO while I would say the 61-62 impala/bel-air with the 409 is a muscle car, since there was no other early chevy alternative, I tend not to put 65-69 Impala with the 396 in the muscle car category, because how big and heavy they are, and you had the chevelle, camaro, and then the BB corvette as a go to.
I am sure someone could make the argument for the dressed down 2 door post cars (bel air) as a muscle car with a BB, I would say that may fall in the category as well.
But is the 1970 454 monte carlo, still a muscle car? I would say no, more luxury car with a BB.

Thats my 2 cents, and may vary a little when discussing different fords and mopars.

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 18, 2018, 04:26:58 PM »
FYI, solo car is 01D (early January). I am going say that the heater hose bracket was likely phased out by may of 69 on A.I.R. Cars,  may be earlier,  if I can find some more examples from prior months.

Larry good point.

Gary good suggestions. Steves show would be a great one. As my kids get older it may be an option  :)

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 18, 2018, 04:24:46 AM »
Gary your all heart....  ::) ;D
Congrats on # 48, July 4th will be #15 for my wife and I.  :)

Regarding judging where they do know one car specifically: For something as small as that bracket, do they have enough data points and original cars to draw from, to go back and look at that in their data, or is Steve going to know a detail like that and when it may have switched?

I Know Steve and James (redneck quote) or other guys who see unrestored cars are busy guys, but they often chime in if they have some pertinent info to share on a topic, and not sure if this (small) detail has been looked into prior.

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 18, 2018, 02:24:56 AM »
I would be curious how AACA would judge this since (our) Jury is still out. I am guessing they are going to say all V8 cars should have the clip, since some examples have been shown to have had it. Or maybe they overlook it all together...

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:01:32 AM »
I would tend to agree with you Larry. It would be nice to find more originals to compare with though.
Hans I think it is tough to reference Jerry's book, since we don't know if those pics are restored cars or not. (So the clip could have been added, or was an early car and many of the cars got them?)
Good pick up on the pic DW, I think it is a nova. here is another :
(this one is a 05A car)

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 17, 2018, 03:02:58 PM »
Lastly here is a pic of my 08C car unrestored, but the heater hoses were replaced at one point:

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:50:47 PM »
Many of my vintage pics i see the bracket if the car did not have A.I.R.
If it did have smog, no bracket. Seems like the way the smog hose was routed it went between the heater hoses where that bracket would have sat.
Unfortunately I do not have a build date for each pic.

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:48:47 PM »
Larry I see what you are talking about with the Hot rod pic. That must be pretty early, no 302 sticker.

Also interesting is the digilite option, and was fitted with Bill Thomas headers with a provision for the smog tubes. Wish they would have had those from the factory. I wonder how much of a prototype that car was?

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:33:17 AM »
I have a 08C,(late 69) and I don't think there is any evidence of a bolt/screw ever being in that hole.

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 16, 2018, 06:43:38 PM »
For such small items, I'm not sure if it was worth the ink to have a revision, vs. A major component or options that was no longer available.
Larry does your car also have the rubber tie right by the heater hose bracket?
(The cars I have seen without the bracket seem to have an extra rubber tie in that location)

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 15, 2018, 06:47:24 PM »
Well the hoses look original. My only question is when did they do away with that bracket? and was it only in certain applications ?

Restoration / Re: Heater hoses
« on: June 15, 2018, 03:51:55 PM »
Hmm, that appears to be the right clip, but that also looks like a more recent picture?
I don't doubt your hoses could be original, but that clip could have been added anytime before the 90's.

I went through my pics from guys BITD or buying them new (1969), and I also have seen some unrestored cars. I have seen that bracket in your last pic on early cars, but then at some point it seems they stopped using it. Not sure if it was a big block only piece at that point, most of my pics are of small blocks.

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