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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: speedo clips and location on: January 10, 2014, 06:55:46 PM
That is great info. Thanks Chick and everyone else for chiming in.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: January 10, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
Here are some results using High Pigment Permanent India Ink in a stamp pad. Hit the INKPAD  then hit the car quick.



Hey James where did you get the stamps. They look different than the ones I have. I like the ones you have better.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 09, 2014, 03:43:06 AM
Sometimes it is nicer to just keep your opinion to yourself. I think this was one of those times.

X2!
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: January 05, 2014, 05:55:53 AM
Has anyone thought about the possibility of Fisher Body use a stenciling "INK" not paint.
Stencil Ink does not have the same consistency as traditional paints.
just a idea.

We use "Stenciling" INK to label Electrical Bussing and mark Naval circuit breakers for various hulls in the DoD side of ships repair all the time.

It does not cover very well and stamps crisp and fades with time, ,,,

Jim

Believe several of us have been saying that for a few years. Wish we would find out from someone who worked there.  It has never looked like a paint to me due to be so transparent and thin in thickness. 

I updated my build thread as I finally completed the "P", "D", & "T" stampings and what I used to complete. Came out very close to originals IMO. Inks I tried did not come close to originals so that changed my direction back to a type of paint. 

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584&page=47




Great looking Stamps Chick
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations.. on: December 24, 2013, 02:52:05 AM
As far as clones/tributes/recreations go, we shouldn't discourage that at all. I'm no better for having a real Z than the guy who has a clone. In essence, the guy with the clone is just trying to enjoy the hobby he otherwise might now be able to. Where a line should be draw (and has been for the most part, in thanks to CRG and TC), is to point out the 'clone' cars intentionally passed as real.

I love all 3 of my first gens, but my 'clone' car is definitely the most fun. 

Clone car - A huge burnout up the street and I get a 10-beer salute from the neighbors. Definitely a fun car.  I have registered this car with the CRG as a 'clone'.



Numbers matching Z - I'm paranoid about even taking it to a local car show.


Wow 2 great cars. The clone gets my respect. A nice car is a nice car. Period IMO clone or not. Counter fitting exists in all aspects of our lives. That seems to be the issue. I agree that clones, tributes, or recreations are part of the hobby and take nothing away from it. As we see from the fine example above, that Yenko clone is nicer that most of the cars for sale on ebay. Sorry to say but I don't agree with this thread. It's not clones, tributes, or recreations that are ruining the hobby. Its is the opportunists that are using the hobby for profit and taking advantage of those who are not educated enough to know the difference. It's a capitalists dream. And that my friends is what motivates people to push that envelope.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: upper hood spring and assembly finish on: December 23, 2013, 09:44:12 PM
IMHO hinges were a dark coloration and many are restored too light.  Also it might be misleading to say manganese phosphate was used or should be used for all nuts, bolts, fasteners, etc.... I looked at original parts and parts from suppliers like AMK (very similar in color) and decided the manganese was too dark for many small items.
Happy Holidays everyone!

Thanks Chick, but I didn't say all nuts and bolts etc. I was using those parts as examples of parts that would get that colour of finish. One should do the research and finish accordingly. Have a great holiday and Merry Christmas.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: upper hood spring and assembly finish on: December 22, 2013, 09:11:10 PM
Correct upper hood latch spring should be semi gloss black. everything else phosphate. However, note that there are 2 types of phosphates used. Zink and Maganese. Zink is the lighter grey colour and is used on hood hinges, as well as upper and lower hood latches. Maganese phosphate is used on nuts bolts, cage nuts and other body fatteners.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 19, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
Another picture showing plugs from both sides.  From left to right.
LISLE MAGNETIC 2
LISLE magnetic
P magnetic
W fill plug (note - not magnetic)
No marks magnetic - current plug that is not correct, but is functional for the task.  I have about 100 of these new.


Quite the collection Bryon.

Impressive!
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: cleaning paint off PBT stamping on: December 18, 2013, 02:30:39 AM
Wow Lloyd. Your cars has come a long way. I have never seen those old pictures of your car before. Amazing progress and maintaining originality & correctness.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 18, 2013, 12:53:46 AM
Nice work on documenting the different plugs Lloyd. I was unaware until now that the M22 had a drain plug. Great detail here, keep up the good work.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: cleaning paint off PBT stamping on: December 17, 2013, 02:50:12 AM
Wow that looks great James.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: gray phosphate on: December 16, 2013, 12:08:16 AM
Here's a few more pics showing better detail of the result. These pics show the bolts still wet with Boeshield on them.



28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: December 14, 2013, 03:25:02 PM
I wonder, was there some order the stamping occurred?  Was the car inspected in a certain sequence?

All three inspectors (Body, Paint and Trim Shop) were stationed at the end of the Fisher Trim Shop, just prior to the point where the body was shipped "through the wall" to Chevrolet; they worked independently.

John,  We all really appreciate your information and perspective, and I have a couple of questions concerned these 'marks' (understanding that I owned my car for over 30 yrs and never *saw* them, until getting on this camaro list.. Smiley..
1)  Why do some cars have the P T B on both side and and some only one one?
2)  Why do some cars have multiple stamps on one side of the car?  ie. My car had two T stamps... (one down below the trim tab)..
If you don't know of a specific reason for the above, I'd appreciate your 'best guess'...?

Gary

Hey Gary my car had 2 Green "T" stamps on the drivers side and possibly a red "B". Those were the only remnants I found on my car. Not sure if the other letters faded away or wore off, of if that is all there ever was on the firewall. From what I am reading so far however it sounds like all cars got all of the stamps. Also note that some cars had both colour stamps on different letters, which seems to be a much rarer occurrence, that all one colour.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: gray phosphate on: December 14, 2013, 04:41:34 AM
Luke and I decided to have a Phosphate Party tonight and we invited some of our favourite fasteners to attend. Check it outů

Step One

Organize glass beaded parts.



Step Two

Fill a pot with water and bring to a boil. We used a hot plate and it brought the water to perfect temperature in about 15 minutes.



Step Three

Then add the Parkerizing Solution to the water. We just did a batch of dark Manganese tonight. Next we will do Zink, the lighter grey colour.





Step Four

Once the temperature is around 190 Ferinhieght it is time to drop the precious parts into the magic solution.



Step Five

Here Luke cradles the virgin, freshly blasted metal. All the kids into the pool.



Step Six

We left the parts in the solution for 15 minutes then removed them and Luke sprayed them with Boeshield.



Step Seven

Then we let the parts dry for a few minutes.



Step Eight

Next Luke touches up a few parts that were a bit dry with Boeshield.



Step Nine

The final product. Enjoy the fruits of your labour. Wonderful, glistening, freshly phosphated original parts. What could be more exciting than that?


30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: December 13, 2013, 09:20:24 PM
Well my car only has the green on it, luckily nobody ever thought to " clean " up the engine compartment . But you can see the B was a lot more crisp than the P or the T.

The stamps I have look nothing like the originals when you compare them side by side. I am trying to find out if there is a supplier out there that makes a more accurate stamp.
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