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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 29, 2014, 10:13:32 AM
B-29     Vehicle Build Month

One-character code from the following table.            Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul
      1967  V   L   R   K   Z   S   P   W   N   Y   T   X
      1968  8   9   O   N   D   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
      1969  8   9   O   N   D   1   2   3   4   5   6   7
 late 1969  8   9   O   N

These codes were impregnated by the dealer ?

Nope. Everything that was die-imprinted on the P-O-P was done at the plant, when the plate was created in the Addressograph machine on the Final Line. All the dealer added was the GM-branded Dymo tape with the purchaser's name and address.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Need glass installer in Central Florida on: May 28, 2014, 10:41:03 AM
John, thanks for your reply.

Are you saying that any one of these hundreds of glass shops should be qualified to do this job?......including using the dam?......including setting the glass at the right height so that the window moldings fit correctly?

I didn't know if this was a case where you have to find an "old school" guy who is experienced with old cars to get this done correctly.


I'm saying there's nothing new or unique about using urethane to install windshields and backlites - they do it every day. Obviously, it would help if they have an installer who has done older cars with reveal moldings, as most newer cars don't have them.
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Original GOODYEAR E70-15 Wide Tread GT, Date Code? on: May 28, 2014, 10:18:31 AM
What was the FIRST date for required DOT tire marking (when all manufacturers were required to mark per the DOT's mandate)??  Wasn't that sometime in the '60's??   Before that DOT required time, the only 'dated' marking on the tires would have been by manufacturer and all of them would be different....?

The DOT tire marking requirement was effective for the beginning of the 1968 model year, but there was no standard format for the information and the manufacturers each used their own proprietary coding, so the markings weren't understandable or relevant. The law was amended shortly thereafter and a standard format for the TIN (Tire Identification Number) was mandated, effective mid-May, 1971. John Kelsey of Kelsey Tire can decode the TIN on Goodyear tires made between 1968 and 1971, but as far as I know, nobody can decode the TIN from any other tire brands from that period.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Need glass installer in Central Florida on: May 27, 2014, 09:43:10 AM
Does anyone know of a qualified glass installer in the Orlando or Central Florida area who can do a windshield and rear window installation using the "dam and urethane" method as opposed to using the butyl strip?


There are literally hundreds of glass shops in that area, and any of them use urethane every day for late model windshield replacement; it's against the law to use butyl in late model cars, and will get their liability insurance cancelled.
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: May 26, 2014, 10:32:29 AM
Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?

CBTN Figure 17-9.
The way I read the painting notes:

PLAIN K-H Part No E-82277 Cust PN _____
Coat with Rustproofing Oil: K-H Part No E-82278 Cust Part No. 3958480
Gray Primer K-H Spec B-3352: K-H Part No E-82279   Cust Part No. 3966934
Same as E-82279 except tape  identify for Chevrolet Service: K-H Part No E-82280

This relates to the 69 AD rally.

I assume you guys are hashing out the SS AO/YA wheels at this point. Does anyone have a copy of the CBTN for 70-75 & does it contain the K-H drawing with notes on it that might clarify.

Does this mean KH painted the wheels or does it mean they shipped rustproof oiled wheels?

As an aside - The N66 wheels were supplied by Motor City wheel not KH

K-H shipped whatever the customer ordered; the assembly plants ordered GM #3958480, K-H #E-82278. SERVICE ordered GM #3966934, K-H #82280.
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealership Memorabilia & Dealership Info on: May 25, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
I didn't realize that Chevrolet utilized that tear drop hood as well.

They didn't.
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: May 22, 2014, 09:30:55 AM
Did Motor Wheel supply finished painted wheels (low volume)?
Did the assembly plants mask and spray 2 colors on the wheels?
Perhaps this could provide an answer to the grey back question regarding 69 Trans AM Rally II's (grey backs on survivors assembled at Norwood) as well.


I can't speak to the Pontiac Rally II wheels - I don't recall how those were handled - I was at Norwood before Firebird production was transferred there. The standard Pontiac wheels were black primer on the back side, based on Lordstown photos.
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28, One Owner Carolina Blue Crossram JL8 on: May 19, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard...  it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....

I agree. Sounds nothing like mine. What kind of exhaust did it have?  And why the always on backup lights?

The "blatty" exhaust note results from the cross-ram setup not having a crossover passage (just like the 1957-1965 Rochester fuel injections on Corvettes), which makes it sound like two different 4-cylinder engines, and a poor tuning job.

The backup lights are on because the backdrive rod is missing due to interference with the headers, and the lever at the base of the steering column is wired up to the brake booster so the ignition switch is free to operate without the rod in place. See that every day on cars with headers.
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Z stamp on: May 18, 2014, 11:11:23 AM
<<Was it possible to get that VIN stamped so close to the head with the head on?>>

Not really. Here's a photo of the assembly plant VIN derivative stamp gang holder.
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealer versus Customer Order on: May 18, 2014, 11:00:25 AM
From what I get so far is that all cars are built to order whether from what a customer wants to what the dealer orders for the public. So a dealer could order whatever he wanted just to get cars on the lot to bring in the walk in customers? I bet somebody was pretty busy at the dealer checking boxes on order forms or was that not the way it was done?

Dealers spent a lot of time determining what styles/options/colors appealed the most to their customers, and ordered (by manually filling out order blanks) what they felt they could move out of inventory the quickest; every day a car sat on the lot, the dealer paid GMAC another day's interest on the wholesale financing, which reduced their gross profit.

I've probably had 100 new cars over the years (including about 50 GM and Chrysler-owned assigned Company Cars), and I ordered every one of them to suit my tastes; I've never bought or selected a car from stock.
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Engine swap--are all 327s the same? on: May 17, 2014, 11:24:48 AM
  If you like the stock breathers, never had any luck fitting on to Holley carbs, end up looking like everybody else at the shows  aftermarket

There were stock open-element air cleaners each year for Holley carburetors.
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: No fire to the plugs on: May 17, 2014, 11:15:10 AM
After filing/cleaning the points, use your test light; ground the clip and put the probe end on the coil (-) terminal while you crank the starter. The test light should flash on-off-on-off, confirming that the point circuit is good and the breaker plate ground wire isn't broken.
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct engine paint suggestions please! on: May 17, 2014, 11:00:31 AM
John, serious about real coffee cans? Were the distributors timed and locked down by that time?
Was the distributor cap on too during the spraying process?
Heck, if it was a real can I'll use a Maxwell House can and replicate the process when I respray my block again.


Yup, coffee cans. The distributors came from Delco-Remy without the caps - the caps were installed right after the distributor was installed on the engne. The distributor was locked down later, when the timing was set during hot-test. The hot-test stands included a slave quick-connect ignition/plug wire harness and slave exhaust manifolds.
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: May 17, 2014, 10:47:43 AM

                     looking at pictures of amazing 69 z/28 surviver (wow) _ I see lifting lugs (painted silver) and safety cables_
     were these factory installed or dealer on a 9a car

The motormount recall was announced in March, 1972, 2-1/2 years after 1st-Gen production had stopped; the restraint cables were dealer-installled as part of the recall fix.
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealer versus Customer Order on: May 17, 2014, 10:05:11 AM
80%-90% of cars were delivered from dealer stock, just as they are today; very few people get excited enough about a car to order one and wait for it to show up. Those of us on this forum are the exception, but the average new car buyer is NOT a "car guy" - they just "need a car", and shop price or monthly payment. "Sold Orders" got priority for production over "Stock Orders", but there weren't a lot of them.
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