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4006  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: how many 1969 camaros on: November 19, 2005, 11:08:39 AM
Van Nuys built 32 Chevrolets per hour, but half of them were "B"-bodies (Impala/Caprice); Camaros were about 16 per hour, or about 250 per day (vs. the 912 per day at Norwood).
4007  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trunk Spatter Paint Color for 1st Gens. on: November 18, 2005, 11:40:21 AM
My original/unmolested '69 02D Norwood Z/28 is black/aqua.  Smiley
4008  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Identifing on: November 18, 2005, 11:28:18 AM
Block casting numbers, casting dates, and pad stampings have always been the only external means of determining an engine's original application (short of tearing it down to see the innards).  Smiley
4009  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Spoilers and head rest on: November 17, 2005, 10:23:53 AM
Headrests were an option on '69 cars built during 1968; they didn't become standard equipment (Federal requirement) until January 1, 1969. The D80 spoiler package was only included as standard equipment on Z/28's built after April, 1969; it was a stand-alone option on any other model, but many were added by owners and dealers. Factory-installed spoiler cars had two different diameter trunk hold-open torsion rods (one standard, one larger-diameter) to hold up the deck lid with the added weight of the spoiler).  Smiley
4010  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: 69 Z/28 Front disc brake upgrade on: November 16, 2005, 12:09:09 PM
You'd have to ask Wilwood why they don't recommend DOT5 silicone fluid, but I suspect it's because they assume their brakes are going to be used for racing applications, and silicone fluid is the last thing you want in a race car brake system.
4011  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: November 16, 2005, 12:01:47 PM
I've never seen a full body-color firewall, although others may have. The bottom of the hood wasn't "blacked-out"; it had black dip or flow-coat prime on it, and only the top surface and edges were sprayed with body color - there was no access to spray body color on the inner panel, as the hood was mounted on a conveyor buck with the header, fenders, and valance in car position with about an inch between panels. The body shell from the firewall back was painted by Fisher Body (who blacked-out the firewall and the rear wheel openings after color), and the exterior sheet metal from the firewall forward was painted in a separate plant by Chevrolet.

See the "First-Generation Camaro Assembly Process" paper in the "CRG Reports" block at the top of the page for more Paint Shop process detail.
4012  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: casting numbers on: November 16, 2005, 11:49:43 AM
There were continuous improvements in the design of the block (and heads, etc.), and each time a minor change was made, a new casting number was issued, as one or more of the cores or final machining operations were affected; standard GM practice. The same casting number block was frequently produced by two or more separate foundries during the same model year, as it took three foundries and five engine plants to produce the volume required for Chevrolet daily car and truck production and service requirements. The Saginaw Foundry fed Flint V-8 and the Flint Motor Plant (6-cylinders) and the Saginaw Foundry also fed the Saginaw Service Engine Plant, the Tonawanda Foundry fed the Tonawanda Engine Plant, and the McKinnon Industries (St. Catherines Engine Plant today) Foundry and Engine Plant in Canada produced many engines for both Canadian and U.S. assembly plants. Chevrolet built 20,000 cars and trucks every day in the 60's; Flint V-8 and Tonawanda each built 5500-6000 engines per day, and the other plants picked up the balance.  Smiley
4013  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: L30/M20 firewall pic needed... on: November 15, 2005, 11:32:52 AM
The standard speedo cable hole (outboard of the steering column) was pre-pierced in the panel, and was used for all transmissions except the Muncie 4-speed. When a Muncie 4-speed was used (the only transmission with a passenger-side speedo connection), the standard hole was plugged, and the Muncie hole (inboard of the steering column) was drilled and used for the speedo cable, plus two more smaller holes in the firewall and tunnel for installation of cable retaining/routing clips.  Smiley
4014  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: R-89 battery or topper on: November 15, 2005, 11:03:19 AM
My battery on my 69 Camaro is just about dead.  I am looking to get a new side post battery that is the old style R89.  Ricks has one for $285..WOW.  Is there another source? Steve

Yes, there is - Restoration Battery in Cincinnati is the manufacturer (; that's where Rick's (and others) probably get them. They sell the maintenance-free side-terminal R89S for $250.00.
4015  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: JohnZ on: November 14, 2005, 10:23:22 AM
Go to the boxes at the top of the page and click on "CRG Reports", and you'll find it listed; you can read it and/or print it from there.  Smiley
4016  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Is this a re-stamp? on: November 13, 2005, 11:22:33 AM
Takes a lot of experience, observations of MANY original block stamps, and the ability to compare a given stamp to other date/suffix stamps done on the same day; not something you can learn on a forum.
4017  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 302 Block ? on: November 13, 2005, 11:17:17 AM
I recently purchased a 69 RS Z28 "clone". The # on the block reads "V093DZ". I am sure the car is not a Z28 but could this be a 302 block?

There's no such thing as a "302 block" - 302's used the same 350 block as millions of other Chevy cars and trucks; just had different crank, rods, and pistons installed in it. If the question is "is this a real DZ-stamped block?", probably not, especially with a 3-digit date stamp.
4018  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Under dash wiring. on: November 11, 2005, 07:32:53 PM
This is my first time doing a total restoration. I have done several partials. Is there any easy way to remember all the wiring? Is there a good diagram somewhere? Huh

Thanks, Darren

Do you have the Assembly Manual? It has page after page showing harness installation and wire routing that you won't find anywhere else.
4019  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: CORRECT UNDER BODY COLOR on: November 11, 2005, 07:31:25 PM
I am finishing a Norwood 1968 SS/RS BB convertible now and since the exterior panels like header, valance, etc were hung in the window openings and the body was very open during color application the result was an inside color that appeared red primer vs the black everywhere else.Arno

Just to clarify, the header panel and front valance were Chevrolet sheet metal, and were painted with the hood and fenders on the Chevy side of the plant; the cowl vent grille was the only panel painted by Fisher Body loose on the car.
4020  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: CORRECT UNDER BODY COLOR on: November 10, 2005, 11:48:16 AM
I think I pointed out in my "First-Generation Camaro Assembly Process" paper that the underbody appears as primer, with varying degrees of color overspray from the side guns that sprayed the bottom of the rockers, as William noted. Some have more than others - my '69 02D car has a LOT of body color on the underbody. Not many Chevrolet folks ever set foot on the Fisher side of the plant, but I was one of them - I worked closely with Fisher Body Production Engineering during the year prior to GMAD taking over all the Fisher/Chevrolet assembly plants.
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