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3736  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone know if this is a 327? I have #'s off the block................... on: June 21, 2006, 11:02:01 AM
That block was cast at Tonawanda on November 9, 1961, so it's out of a '62 passenger car, Chevelle, or truck. You don't have to pull the heads to see the stampings on the block deck - it's right in front of the passenger side cylinder head, out in the open. If the heads are the same vintage as the block, they'll have either 1.72" or 1.94" valves, and the head casting numbers and dates are visible if you pull the valve covers.
3737  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67ss frame off restoration on: June 19, 2006, 08:06:29 PM
Noted John.. I have no plan's on selling this car anytime soon,I enjoy the hobby too much.Was just a hypathectical question.By the way John You ever make it to woodward on a friday or saturday night? Love to meet up sometime

I was born and raised in Birmingham, and spent (or mis-spent) Smiley my youth on Woodward nearly every night from the late 50's through the early 60's; I go back every year for the Woodward Cruise.
3738  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 z/28 clutch pressure plate on: June 19, 2006, 08:02:23 PM
GM didn't manufacture their clutches - they bought them from an outside supplier.
3739  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone know if this is a 327? I have #'s off the block................... on: June 19, 2006, 07:56:10 PM
That block was only used from '62-'65; if you post the numbers/codes in #2 and #3 above, we can tell you exactly what it is and what it was installed in originally.
3740  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67ss frame off restoration on: June 18, 2006, 07:06:04 PM
Home restorations are done for the love of the car, not because it's a profit-making opportunity; the only people who make money on restorations are commercial shops that do it for a living and bill the customer on a time & material basis, or dealers that fake them and take unknowing buyers for a ride on eBay.
3741  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 z/28 clutch pressure plate on: June 18, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
Chances are slim to none that it still has the original GM clutch in it, and the aftermarket clutch manufacturers all have their own methods of marking pressure plates and discs.
3742  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Date codes on horns?? on: June 18, 2006, 06:57:55 PM
The format is YMW (year-month-week); 7C2 would be 1967, March, 2nd week. The date code is on the bottom side, adjacent to one corner of the trumpet opening.
3743  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone know what a factory 427 goes for nowadays? on: June 18, 2006, 06:50:35 PM
There were several at Bloomington this week that illustrate the range - a complete but used 2-bolt '66 427/390 lo-perf short block (no heads) for $5,500.00, and a freshly rebuilt 4-bolt '66 427/425 hi-perf short block (no heads) for $15,900.00. Most fit somewhere in that range, depending on many variables.
3744  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone know if this is a 327? I have #'s off the block................... on: June 18, 2006, 06:45:16 PM
Three things are needed to positively ID the engine:

1. The raised casting number (that's the 3789817 you posted).

2. The raised casting date code (about six inches to the passenger side of the distributor hole).

3. Everything that's stamped on the machined surface of the block directly in front of the passenger side cylinder head.
3745  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 15" 1969 Z/28 tires on: June 17, 2006, 08:44:48 AM
Coker now makes the Firestone Sport Car 200 in E70-15 too - $211.00 each.

http://www.coker.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17855&cat=&page=1
3746  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: part #'s for wheel cylinders on: June 16, 2006, 08:47:15 AM
Casting numbers identify a particular raw casting; that raw casting is frequently machined into several slightly different finished parts, which carry unique PART numbers. One example is cylinder heads - the same casting was frequently machined both for 1.94"/1.5" valves and for 2.02"/1.6" valves, and those two variations carried different PART numbers after machining, although both types carry the same cast-in casting number. The P&A parts books show the finished PART number, and sometimes reference an "I.D." number, which is the casting number that appears on the part. PART numbers don't appear on castings, unless a casting was only machined into one finished part.

To carry the analogy further, a machined cylinder head that's bare (no valves, springs, etc.) will carry one PART number, and the same head assembled (with valves, springs, etc.) will carry yet another different PART number, although the machined casting is the same between the two.
3747  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Can a Saginaw 4 speed be built to handle Big Block horse power? on: June 16, 2006, 08:36:44 AM
The Muncie M20 has a 2.52 or 2.56 1st gear (depending on year), and the M21 and M22 have a 2.20 1st gear.  Smiley
3748  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Correct Seat Belt Color on: June 14, 2006, 08:38:39 PM
Thanks again John. So no matter what color interior you had, unless you ordered deluxe belts, you got black?

Yup - my '69Z has the original Z87deluxe midnight green interior, and the original seat and shoulder belts - standard black.
3749  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: disc brake rotors on: June 14, 2006, 08:32:14 PM
While we are on this subject, can anyone tell me if the two-piece rotors were actually outlawed?  Steve

2-piece rotors were never "outlawed"; that's some kind of "urban legend". There are lots of cars out there today with 2-piece rotors, all of them very high-priced.
3750  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: '70 Camaro question for JohnZ on: June 14, 2006, 08:25:10 PM
Every plant built either Pilot or Pre-Production units - Pilots were months before launch, Pre-Production units were weeks before launch. Don't know anything about 2nd-gen records, although I wish I still had the '70 Z/28 I bought brand new in early 1970 - ran like a scalded dog!  Grin
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