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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sinkhole in the Corvette Museum on: March 04, 2014, 09:02:59 AM
Phil, saw that on the news. I wonder why they didn't take the '62 out first, appeared to be easiest.

Because the black '62 has a 5-ton slab of concrete leaning on it - they have to deal with the car AND the slab, without damaging the car any further. It will come out today (Tuesday).
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Home page Blue Camaros on: March 04, 2014, 08:56:31 AM
Be careful with your comments about windshield wipers.
I just got censored over on the Yenko site for making a "windshield wiper delete car" comment, about a blue 69 Z with no windshield wipers.
Apparently the word "forum" is more of a loosely used term, a senior Pooh-Bah member felt it necessary to save the owner any friendly humor, and delete my comments.
 Lips Sealed

My warning to you may get me kicked off the CRG, not sure of his influence on our site

We (CRG) don't care if you have wipers or not, and we don't mind humor either!  :-)
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: under hood finish on: March 03, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
So..when everyone talks % gloss is it an interpretation of GM's black primer ? With subtle variations for detail ?

That semi-gloss sheen may have varied a bit from day to day, but the key issue (in terms of restoration accuracy) is that all of the black-primered Chevrolet front sheet metal components should exhibit the same gloss; they all went through the same prime paint system.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: under hood finish on: March 02, 2014, 01:39:56 PM
I was questioned today about the proper finish under the hood, I'm sure I read the hoods were dipped in black primer than shot from the top covering the edges with paint. Now is 30% gloss an acceptable finish for under the hood sheen wise ? Or too much? Firewalls getting shot at that.

ALL of the Chevrolet-furnished front sheet metal got the same basic primer application - from the "Assembly Process" paper..

<<"Sheet Metal Painting: All raw parts (wheels, brackets, etc.) and the front end sheet metal (hoods, fenders, lower fender extensions, header panels, front valances, radiator supports, inner fenders, etc.) went through a cleaning, degreasing, and hot phosphate system, then through a flow-coat booth where it was deluged with black primer from all directions and then baked.">>
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trunk Spring installation on: March 02, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
Doesn't the spoiler equipped trunk lid use a different diameter tension spring than the non-spoiler lid?

Yes, it does - that's the quickest way to spot an "added" spoiler. On a non-spoiler car, both deck lid torsion rods are .225" in diameter; on a factory spoiler car, one rod is .275" in diameter, to raise and hold open the deck lid with the added weight of the spoiler.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro on: March 02, 2014, 01:24:08 PM
Why would this document have such detailed information on options, colors, dealer, dates, etc..  but not include the VIN?   Is there some other means of positive association (to a specific car) other than the VIN?


Does the Camaro Body Broadcast Copy (as used at Van Nuys production) include the car's VIN?

The Corvette Order Copy (tank sticker) was printed about three days before the car was built, and Corvettes didn't get their VIN until they left the Paint Shop, so prior to '71 the VIN wasn't known at the time the paperwork stack was computer line-printed (which is why the last six digits of the VIN was hand-stamped on the window sticker). The positive means of association between the Corvette tank sticker and its VIN is another number on the tank sticker, and only the NCRS has that data, which they use for their "Document Validation Service".

The Camaro Body Broadcast Copy includes the VIN.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro on: March 01, 2014, 10:11:00 AM
Charley?  Do you (Or anyone for that matter) have a photo of a build sheet taken from the gas tank of a Van Nuys '69 Camaro?   I'd love to see one (to compare to the one taken from my '69 Corvette gas tank).. Smiley

Two different documents - the Corvette had a "Corvette Order Copy" that listed color, trim, and options (but didn't have a VIN on it), and the LOS Camaro had a Body Broadcast Copy that had boxes for components down to the part number level.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Someone is having a birthday...? :) on: March 01, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
Well, here's the surprise - meet Phil, a ten-month-old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, with Blenheim (Blen-Um) coloration - he's housebroken, trained, and the most affectionate little guy you can imagine. He's about ten pounds, and will be around 15-16 full-grown, about 2/3 the size of a regular cocker spaniel.  Smiley
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Someone is having a birthday...? :) on: February 28, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
Thanks, guys! Had a great soft-shell taco dinner at the best Mexican restaurant in the area, a couple of frozen wildberry margaritas, and my wife's patented lemon meringue pie. Works for me!

Linda has another surprise for me, but it's later today....
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: shock mount bolt on: February 27, 2014, 10:53:15 AM
The item on the far right is a production shock, with integral bushing and stud; they were always painted as shown, and there are NO welds - that's a painted rubber bushing.
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Pretty Cool Ole Car on: February 27, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000.

You might also note (besides inflation) that the $4000 Z/28 was an ordinary production car, where the new Z/28 is an all-out race car for the track that includes and meets 40 years of safety and emissions regulations. Apples and oranges.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 68 Fuel Gauge on: February 26, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
I understand that the 4BBL cars get the larger fuel line tube (3/8") when ordering....   

ALL V-8's used the 3/8" main fuel line, and L-6's used the 5/16" main fuel line. V-8's with Q-Jets also used a vapor return line.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Polishing glass on: February 26, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
Those glass-polishing kits that use a Cerium oxide slurry are next to useless - they create a terrible mess, take hours and hours of work, and when you're done, you have an area of optical distortion that will drive you buggy, or a cracked windshield from overheating it.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Muncie 3925660 on: February 26, 2014, 10:32:09 AM
John Z does that place have it's own zip code... I seen some cities smaller then that. Smiley

As a matter of fact, the site had two zip codes - one for Chevrolet, and one for Fisher Body.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: February 26, 2014, 10:21:36 AM
22 per page.... If isolated that is 30,000 pages for the first 3 years of Camaro production. What an enormous amount of work.

Actually, it's much more than that - from Roy Sinor's reply #57 in this thread on January 23rd:

"Ed, It gets very complicated and long to explain, yes the information is on microfiche. The problem is it is all Chevrolet production, there is 1926 Chevrolet roadster stuff on one page I looked at.  so we have 22 cars per page on the microfiche. That's 22 Chevrolets not 22 69 Norwood Camaros. imagine now Chevrolet complete production history. we are talking 100,000's pages of microfiche maybe Millions of pages."

This was NOT a low-budget project. :-)
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