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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro on: March 02, 2014, 01:24:08 PM
Why would this document have such detailed information on options, colors, dealer, dates, etc..  but not include the VIN?   Is there some other means of positive association (to a specific car) other than the VIN?

Does the Camaro Body Broadcast Copy (as used at Van Nuys production) include the car's VIN?

The Corvette Order Copy (tank sticker) was printed about three days before the car was built, and Corvettes didn't get their VIN until they left the Paint Shop, so prior to '71 the VIN wasn't known at the time the paperwork stack was computer line-printed (which is why the last six digits of the VIN was hand-stamped on the window sticker). The positive means of association between the Corvette tank sticker and its VIN is another number on the tank sticker, and only the NCRS has that data, which they use for their "Document Validation Service".

The Camaro Body Broadcast Copy includes the VIN.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro on: March 01, 2014, 10:11:00 AM
Charley?  Do you (Or anyone for that matter) have a photo of a build sheet taken from the gas tank of a Van Nuys '69 Camaro?   I'd love to see one (to compare to the one taken from my '69 Corvette gas tank).. Smiley

Two different documents - the Corvette had a "Corvette Order Copy" that listed color, trim, and options (but didn't have a VIN on it), and the LOS Camaro had a Body Broadcast Copy that had boxes for components down to the part number level.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Someone is having a birthday...? :) on: March 01, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
Well, here's the surprise - meet Phil, a ten-month-old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, with Blenheim (Blen-Um) coloration - he's housebroken, trained, and the most affectionate little guy you can imagine. He's about ten pounds, and will be around 15-16 full-grown, about 2/3 the size of a regular cocker spaniel.  Smiley
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Someone is having a birthday...? :) on: February 28, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
Thanks, guys! Had a great soft-shell taco dinner at the best Mexican restaurant in the area, a couple of frozen wildberry margaritas, and my wife's patented lemon meringue pie. Works for me!

Linda has another surprise for me, but it's later today....
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: shock mount bolt on: February 27, 2014, 10:53:15 AM
The item on the far right is a production shock, with integral bushing and stud; they were always painted as shown, and there are NO welds - that's a painted rubber bushing.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Pretty Cool Ole Car on: February 27, 2014, 10:37:04 AM
As for the $2 vs $77 registration increase, that increase is over 45 years and in the same 45 years GM has increased the price of a new Z/28 from around $4,000 to a whopping $75,000.

You might also note (besides inflation) that the $4000 Z/28 was an ordinary production car, where the new Z/28 is an all-out race car for the track that includes and meets 40 years of safety and emissions regulations. Apples and oranges.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 68 Fuel Gauge on: February 26, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
I understand that the 4BBL cars get the larger fuel line tube (3/8") when ordering....   

ALL V-8's used the 3/8" main fuel line, and L-6's used the 5/16" main fuel line. V-8's with Q-Jets also used a vapor return line.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Polishing glass on: February 26, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
Those glass-polishing kits that use a Cerium oxide slurry are next to useless - they create a terrible mess, take hours and hours of work, and when you're done, you have an area of optical distortion that will drive you buggy, or a cracked windshield from overheating it.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Muncie 3925660 on: February 26, 2014, 10:32:09 AM
John Z does that place have it's own zip code... I seen some cities smaller then that. Smiley

As a matter of fact, the site had two zip codes - one for Chevrolet, and one for Fisher Body.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: February 26, 2014, 10:21:36 AM
22 per page.... If isolated that is 30,000 pages for the first 3 years of Camaro production. What an enormous amount of work.

Actually, it's much more than that - from Roy Sinor's reply #57 in this thread on January 23rd:

"Ed, It gets very complicated and long to explain, yes the information is on microfiche. The problem is it is all Chevrolet production, there is 1926 Chevrolet roadster stuff on one page I looked at.  so we have 22 cars per page on the microfiche. That's 22 Chevrolets not 22 69 Norwood Camaros. imagine now Chevrolet complete production history. we are talking 100,000's pages of microfiche maybe Millions of pages."

This was NOT a low-budget project. :-)
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 68 Fuel Gauge on: February 25, 2014, 11:33:59 AM
You should have insulators on the straps. & cushions on top of the tank to the floor so I would still check it to make sure..

No Camaro was ever built with insulator strips between the tank retaining straps and the tank, although all the vendors want you to believe they were.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Muncie 3925660 on: February 25, 2014, 11:06:09 AM
I thought St Louis was the Corvette assembly plant?

St. Louis was a "complex", and was the largest assembly plant in North America in the 60's; it had a 4-story main plant with a 65-per-hour passenger car line that built Impala and Caprice, and a 35-per-hour Truck line that built everything from pickups to school bus chassis, and all of the forward-control Corvair-based trucks (Corvan, Greenbrier, Rampside, etc.) were built on the 4th Floor. The Corvette plant was a separate small building on the rear corner of the property, behind the powerhouse and coal pile. I spent 8 months at Corvette in '67-'68 and 4 months in the Passenger line in '68-'69.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 25, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
If I am not mistaken the inner supports were spotwelded before the fenders were flo coat primed at the  assembly plants based upon a parameter of the crest line? Amnng others I am sure.
This being the case how were replacements indexed (inner supports to fneder crest line etc.) ?

I believe it was left to the "offline" installer to create the fit required for the job..

In the plant, we welded the "shotgun" reinforcement to the fender skin prior to painting, and we "tuned" the welding fixture clamps and locators to set the crown line of the fender to match the crown of the hood.

Most Service fenders were welded (and primed) at the Regional Parts Depots, using simplified versions of our weld fixtures (which is why production take-off fenders usually fit better than NOS Service fenders).
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: need help locating good J56 front disc piston ceramic inserts on: February 23, 2014, 11:29:11 AM
just acquired a set of pistons and now need the ceramic inserts - I am a novice so have no clue where to go or even if I will be able to obtain such items.  help / advice anyone ?

Try Vette Brakes & Products - they have the Pyroceram insulator pucks for Corvette J-56 brakes; if they can't help you, try Lone Star Calipers.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New Z28 Pricing.... $75K??? on: February 20, 2014, 11:23:46 AM
Here's a good summary of the new Z/28 technical details:
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