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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Temecula ROD RUN on: March 16, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
I live a half hour from Temecula and did not here about the Rod run this time, otherwise I would have brought my Turbo Rocket there!

Very cool! I haven't seen an Olds F-85 Jetfire in years!  :-)
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 convertible 6 cyl 3 speed rare?? on: March 15, 2014, 10:51:52 AM
Question, do the numbers match on the cowl tag begin 124 and the door jamb tag begin 123? As I understand vin 123 is 6 cylinder and 124 is v8 or am I confused?

Remember that the "Style" number on the cowl tag and the "VIN" number on the hinge pillar or instrument panel are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT numbers; the "style" number on the cowl tag was assigned by Fisher Body, and it will change on 67's as noted above. The VIN number was assigned by Chevrolet much later in the process, and a "3" for the third digit will ALWAYS mean a six-cylinder engine, and a "4" for the third digit will ALWAYS mean a V-8 engine.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Is this tag real or fake? on: March 14, 2014, 02:03:26 PM
According to the Camaro Expert in NY the car is genuine.. 

It may be "genuine", but it's far from "correct" - LOTS of missing/wrong parts and processes. :-(
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Striping on: March 11, 2014, 09:45:03 AM
Others have commented that
the assembly manual is wrong, but with no supporting evidence.


We've known for many years that the rear stripe illustration in the Chevrolet Assembly Manual (section Z28, sheet B2, View "A", 5.20" dimension) is wrong; Fisher Body didn't use the AIM - they used their own Operation Description sheets ("O.D. Sheets") and Release drawings from GM Styling to create the stencils used in production.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: widow felts nos vs. A.Mrkt. on: March 10, 2014, 09:15:07 AM
Here are the original door and quarter window fuzzies on my unrestored '69Z.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 327 L30 Intake Manifold date on: March 10, 2014, 09:03:47 AM
Q for the group:  Would a casting date of "I86" (Sept) on the intake manifold of a '67 11A LOS  L30 build be too far out of range?
Looking to determine if I have a transplant.

It's a llittle beyond what's "typical", but certainly not out of range; if it was on a Corvette, it wouldn't get any deduction in NCRS judging.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 302s and CE Blocks on: March 06, 2014, 01:14:04 PM
All factory replacement and "CE" 302 small-blocks came from Flint V-8; Tonawanda didn't have the forged 11:1 pistons, "pink" floating-pin rods, "30-30" cam, solid lifters, 1178 crankshafts, and didn't have 2.02"/1.60" valves or the machining stations for them (including the unshrouding cut adjacent to the intake valve). Tonawanda only built hydraulic-lifter flat-top piston small-blocks with 1.94"/1.50" and smaller valves.

Tonawanda was the sole source for big-block engines.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Half a 69 camaro.... on: March 06, 2014, 12:52:49 PM
Here's a photo of a similar pinstripe fixture in use in 1965 at the Pontiac home plant - it has suction cups to hold it in position, and the top rail is the guide for the tip of the Beugler roller-striper. Two different Beugler guns were used - one with a thin roller, and one with a thicker roller for the second stripe. The Pontiac fixture is being used in an off-line stall, but the Camaro pinstripe fixtures were on-line, suspended from overhead balancers, and moved with the car.

Go here for more detailed information on the Beugler striping tool:
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Half a 69 camaro.... on: March 05, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
John,  Would you have any idea if the 'exclusion' might be something that could be 'Deleted' via a customer order form (for a Z28 buyer who wanted the pinstripes)??

As far as I know, there was no mechanism to let a car order override the programming of the Body Broadcast; when a Z/28 was ordered, it automatically defeated the broadcast code for pinstripes.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Half a 69 camaro.... on: March 04, 2014, 02:50:30 PM
That's a gorgeous car, and I too have always loved the minilite wheels.. Smiley
Re the fender stripes:  I think I recall seeing some original GM Z28 ads which showed the 'over wheel pinstripes'... 
Was that, or was that not, an option?

The fender pinstripes were part of Z21, but the pinstripes were specifically excluded when Z21 was ordered on a Z/28.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sinkhole in the Corvette Museum on: March 04, 2014, 09:02:59 AM
Phil, saw that on the news. I wonder why they didn't take the '62 out first, appeared to be easiest.

Because the black '62 has a 5-ton slab of concrete leaning on it - they have to deal with the car AND the slab, without damaging the car any further. It will come out today (Tuesday).
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Home page Blue Camaros on: March 04, 2014, 08:56:31 AM
Be careful with your comments about windshield wipers.
I just got censored over on the Yenko site for making a "windshield wiper delete car" comment, about a blue 69 Z with no windshield wipers.
Apparently the word "forum" is more of a loosely used term, a senior Pooh-Bah member felt it necessary to save the owner any friendly humor, and delete my comments.
 Lips Sealed

My warning to you may get me kicked off the CRG, not sure of his influence on our site

We (CRG) don't care if you have wipers or not, and we don't mind humor either!  :-)
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: under hood finish on: March 03, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
So..when everyone talks % gloss is it an interpretation of GM's black primer ? With subtle variations for detail ?

That semi-gloss sheen may have varied a bit from day to day, but the key issue (in terms of restoration accuracy) is that all of the black-primered Chevrolet front sheet metal components should exhibit the same gloss; they all went through the same prime paint system.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: under hood finish on: March 02, 2014, 01:39:56 PM
I was questioned today about the proper finish under the hood, I'm sure I read the hoods were dipped in black primer than shot from the top covering the edges with paint. Now is 30% gloss an acceptable finish for under the hood sheen wise ? Or too much? Firewalls getting shot at that.

ALL of the Chevrolet-furnished front sheet metal got the same basic primer application - from the "Assembly Process" paper..

<<"Sheet Metal Painting: All raw parts (wheels, brackets, etc.) and the front end sheet metal (hoods, fenders, lower fender extensions, header panels, front valances, radiator supports, inner fenders, etc.) went through a cleaning, degreasing, and hot phosphate system, then through a flow-coat booth where it was deluged with black primer from all directions and then baked.">>
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trunk Spring installation on: March 02, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
Doesn't the spoiler equipped trunk lid use a different diameter tension spring than the non-spoiler lid?

Yes, it does - that's the quickest way to spot an "added" spoiler. On a non-spoiler car, both deck lid torsion rods are .225" in diameter; on a factory spoiler car, one rod is .275" in diameter, to raise and hold open the deck lid with the added weight of the spoiler.
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